Since the discussion has deviated from the main topic I am withdrawing from it. Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:50 pm Jump to post
Ptolemy's reputation as a great scientist and astronomer was greatly damaged after the publication of the book : prof.Robert Newton, The Crime of Claudius Ptolemy, John Hopkins University Press, 1977 .The book's author is Robert R. Newton of the Applied Physics Laboratory at Johns Hopkins University... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:46 pm Jump to post
would You be so kind to give a 2nd source for Your interesting thesis - preferably a respected source in the academic field of research about the history of astrology. Look carefully at the analysis of the positions of the luminaries and the planets in the horoscope of Emperor Hadrian made by prof.... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:01 pm Jump to post
would You be so kind to give a 2nd source for Your interesting thesis - preferably a respected source in the academic field of research about the history of astrology Source: David Brown,The Interactions of Ancient Astral Science, Hempen Verlag, Bremen, 2018, p.759 Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:50 am Jump to post
One thing we know about Ptolemy is that he didn't 'invent' anything. He simply reported and explained the principles used by his sources. Ptolemy introduced many basic changes in the astrological paradigm. I will mention only one - the transition from a sidereal frame of reference to a tropical one... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:08 pm Jump to post
But even setting that aside, many historical astrologers employ a 5° orb for house csups, as I do myself, so if the MC is at 10° Aries, this example would have 2 of the 4 planets within the 10th house and the other two strongly placed upon its cusp. I would describe all four planets as angular and ... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Sat Feb 25, 2023 12:34 pm Jump to post
Addition: Here I will give the original Greek text of the second horoscope from Hephastion book II as published in CCAG VIII.2, p.84. The passages highlighted in blue mark the positions of the Sun, Mars, Venus and Mercury respectively, while the first two passages highlighted in red refer to the po... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:29 am Jump to post
Let's take the second horoscope from Hephastion book II attributed to Antigonus of Nicaea which corresponds to about noon of 5 April 40 CE. Robert Hand’s opinion is that this chart is of one of the family of the emperor Hadrian.The figure below is from Greek manuscript preserved in the Library in Fl... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:46 pm Jump to post
I would like to share with the astrological community Emperor Hadrian's horoscope from Hephaistion Book II as preserved by a Byzantine manuscript (XIV Century) that is stored at the National Library of Venice under name Marc. gr. Z. 324. As in Hephaistion's text in Book II, as well as in the horosco... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:19 pm Jump to post
My claim that the two terms “place/house??? and “sign??? are interchangeable in the sense of synonyms is supported by the opinion of already mentioned prof. Stephan Heilen in his magnum opus “Hadriani genitura – Die astrologischen Fragmente des Antigonos von Nikaia" (2015): "Over these few... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:06 pm Jump to post
Evidence that the terms "place" and "sign" were synonymous for Hellenistic astrologers is the following passage from Antiochus (translated by Levente Laszlo): “19.On productive signs: He says that according to Timaeus, seven signs are productive: the four pivots – the one marking... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:05 pm Jump to post
Seriously though, I wish people would stop making appeals to authority and just focus on making a cogent argument . Paulus Alexandrinus in his book Introductory Matters translated by Dorian Giesler Greenbaum in the section titled “ Concerning the Tabular Exposition of the Twelve Places??? says: “ T... Forum: Traditional (& Ancient) Techniques Topic: Deb Houlding and whole sign houses Replies: 137 Views: 48403 Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:23 pm Jump to post