“You seem to think everything I say is absurd so I will stop commenting.“

No. I am disagreeing with you because I think you’re methodology is ridiculous and impairs correct judgement.

“Again, Deb is the authority on Lilly (and horary in general)???

Another deeply absurd thing to say. Deb is an amazing and talented astrologer but to say she is the authority on lilly and horary in general is outrageous, and remarkably misinformed,considering the generation of astrologers of which she is from, which includes Frawley. You are simply dismissing them!

“I actually more commonly see the Sun representing a third party than Saturn. In questions where someone asks if someone is dating someone else, I most commonly see the quesited with the Sun, with it representing a person that they hold in high regard, and typically the outcome is that they are seeing someone???

To demonstrate, this is WILDY speculative and should not be dished out to novices as a method of delineation that works - because it doesn’t!

I do not dismiss Frawley - it is a matter of traditional versus modern technique. Frawley uses a modern technique that he created. We can certainly agree to disagree since most modern and traditional astrologers do disagree. There are many threads on a combust querent (and quesited) and other astrologers basically saying the same "absurd" and "ludicrous" things I brought up. I am glad the matter worked out for you and that you feel like this chart explains things well but you yourself admitted it having contradictions and then turn around and say how perfectly it shows the outcome via Frawley.

I admitted that my interpretation of the Sun was speculative from the beginning and my own assumption from charts shared and read, such as the one similar to yours I posted from someone breaking up with their husband who then started dating someone else. One of the reasons I threw it out there was because her chart reminded me of seeing this and your chart was around the same time and very, very similar to hers (same rulers and house placements). I never would have even mentioned it had it not been for her thread and I thought it might be of significance so threw it out there and it was not meant to be life or death or "dangerous" information. I thought I gave a pretty good caveat of it being my own interpretation and this is a place to discuss ideas.

I think our debate on this topic has been valuable, and precisely the purpose of these forums. I of course respect your opinion, but do not agree with it as you disagree with me.

It’s a shame, others have not attempted to delineate this chart as it is quite an interesting one! So of course thank you for your time and consideration, Tanit. No hard feelings meant.

For reference of a completely opposing result, a cazimi 7th lord where Sun is in detriment in the 12th:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

The poster sent me an email recently that she was still amazed how accurate the chart was. Again, in this case the quesited was with someone else, which they mentioned after I said the same thing i said to you. Maybe this is because the quesited is usually male?

I do think the condition of the Sun is really key in cazimi situations- Oprah has a cazimi Venus in Aquarius in the 2nd trine Jupiter in natal and her bank account is doing very well though.

So how is it going? Are you two now involved with each other beyond just talking/flirting, like "involved"?

This was definitely an interesting chart. I do think a combust querent is one of my Achillies heels for whatever reason. As I think I said already, a professional horary reader here once mentioned she lost a longtime client after attempting to read a chart where the querent was combust and said she looked at them with caution ever since.

According to Barbara Dunn's horary book, she says that Lilly's consideration on a combust querent means that they may not view the matter objectively or they may not be truthful to the astrologer. She goes on to say that Lilly himself did read his own charts where he was combust though.

I guess I will leave it to what Deb says on a Sun-Venus aspect showing potential for a relationship and the fact that Jupiter in the 1st is acting as a co-sig for the querent and Sun is collecting the light of Venus and Jupiter and leads to perfection (Venus translates a trine from Jupiter to Sun via a cazimi conjunction). Mars is not able to perfect anything here and Moon is afflicted. I honestly did not pay much attention to Jupiter initially because I did not notice it was in the 1st just barely. I probably assumed it was more so second house after re-reading my initial statement. Jupiter can be a strong force in any chart in the 1st and dignified. Here it is barely in the 1st but technically more than 5 degrees from the 2nd.