Unique_astrology, I was only trying to pay you a compliment. I'm sorry if it was misunderstood. My memory these days is very poor, and any discussion we might have had in the past on another forum is long gone. I have no recollection of a "Judy Johns" forum. I never mean to criticize anyone. I have no opinion of the techniques you use because I have never studied or used them.

Stefan wrote:

Winning election 2008 being vp with Obama RAHU-RAHU-JUPITER
Now a new major period just starting with Rahu placed in 10th house in royal sign LEO right in conjunction with succesful fixed star Regulus*.

Stefan, I've just now had time to check past events in Biden's life usng Parashara's Light 7. I was surprised that with the Krishnamurti ayanamsa winning the election in 2008 and becoming vice president comes under Jupiter-Saturn-Saturn (10-23-2008 to 3-19-2009). What Jyotish program do you use? Jupiter is certainly sterling in Biden's chart: In the 9th house vargottama in Cancer.

I thought I would post another prediction put up on a private FB group called UK Astrologers. This post was made by the English astrologer Barry Goddard. Barry is an archetypal astrologer and his mundane work heavily relies on the outer planets transits. Barry correctly, predicted Trump would win in 2016 (unlike Jim Eshelman quoted earlier who went for a Clinton win). He seems to be a strong believer that the most charasmatic politician generally wins. This led him to go for LePen beating Macron in the last French Presidential election. He also predicted the UK would vote to remain the European union in 2016. So his results on the big events been patchy. However, he has been made some good calls on UK domestic political developments. He goes for a Biden win in 2020. This may seem surprising as it rather refutes his theory about the charismatic candidate normally winning. I guess his judgement is that Trump's personality has become more of a liability than an asset. This combined with Trump's and Harris's transits swings it for him. Next time I will find you a posting by someone predicting a Donald Trump win.

PRESIDENT HARRIS?
Donald Trump, at the time of the US election, will have Pluto moving forward and about to make his first opposition to his natal Venus (ruler of his MC), having opposed his natal Saturn, which is next to Venus, this year. This does not look good for him. Venus in a politician is popularity, and he is trailing badly and consistently in the polls. I will declare an interest at this point, which is that I want him to lose the election; but that did not stop me, correctly, predicting he would win last time.

More than that, Neptune will square Trump's Sun and Moon next year. Normally such strong transits are empowering in a leader. They would suggest some kind of landslide in his favour. That is clearly not going to happen, so I am thinking he will lose, which for a sitting President is a considerable failure. And Neptune can also describe that.

Joe Biden's chart (also below, along with Kamala Harris' chart) is interesting: Neptune is about to oppose his MC for the 3rd time, and next year Uranus will enter his House of Health (the 6th). Meanwhile, Kamala Harris has an almost ridiculous amount of powerful transits in the next few years: Pluto square Sun and Moon, Neptune square Asc, second Saturn Return followed by Saturn conjunct MC. She is being propelled somewhere very big.

Putting all this together, I think the probablity is that Biden will win, and after a year or two will have to stand down due to ill health, and Harris will take over. At this point Saturn will be squaring both the ruler of Biden's MC (Mercury) and the ruler of his 6th (Venus). Pluto will also be starting to square his Moon, our embodiment, so that further suggests health issues. Jupiter will cross his IC in March 2022, you can draw your own conclusions from that.

The initial Neptune opposite Pisces MC transit that could propel Biden into the Presidency also has a theme of loss and sacrifice around it, the sacrifice needed to end a dark Presidency.

stefan and bob - thanks for sharing your perspective here.. much appreciated!

mark - thanks for sharing these predictions via facebook.. this is also very much appreciated!

fwiw - here are the lunar returns that eshelman makes note of for or close to inauguration day and etc..... while i can see some attractiveness in these charts for biden and harris, i do believe they are subject to the bigger influence of the solar return..

also my own take an exact aspects with the outers is that without an inner planet to connect to them, i don't believe it is of great relevance... these charts use krishnamurti ayanamsa and an 830pm time for biden...

Therese Hamilton wrote:Stefan wrote:

Winning election 2008 being vp with Obama RAHU-RAHU-JUPITER
Now a new major period just starting with Rahu placed in 10th house in royal sign LEO right in conjunction with succesful fixed star Regulus*.

Stefan, I've just now had time to check past events in Biden's life usng Parashara's Light 7. I was surprised that with the Krishnamurti ayanamsa winning the election in 2008 and becoming vice president comes under Jupiter-Saturn-Saturn (10-23-2008 to 3-19-2009). What Jyotish program do you use? Jupiter is certainly sterling in Biden's chart: In the 9th house vargottama in Cancer.

Oh My..The day I wrote that post I had done a webinar with one of KN Rao's students about chart rectification. My brain was a bit exhausted by all the data and charts and variables, so I did write wrong. But now I have updated and edited my initial post. Sorry

* Winning election 2008 being vp with Obama Jupiter-Jupiter-Rahu
Jupiters powerful period and subperiod.The subsubperiod was Rahu. Rahu in the 10th house in leo, right on the fixed star Regulus.

Election 2020 JUPITER-RAHU-JUPITER
Now still in the period of his powerful jupiter and the succesful Rahu in 10th house on Regulus*. This seems good. Note 2008 election, where he also was under the influence of jupiter and rahu energies, as Rahu was the subsubperiod then....
Transiting Jupiter dasha planet is trining his MC.

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So yes his period in november 2008 was Jupiter-Jupiter-Rahu during the election. It changed short thereafter to Jupiter-saturn, just AFTER the election. Krishnamurti ayanamsha sets in a bit earlier than Lahiri ayanamsha, so in Krishnamurti ayanamsha it's jupiter-saturn as you say, when the election date was. There is a little difference between the two ayanamsha's.

Here is it graphically:

Thank you, Stefan, for checking the dasa dates. We don't remember often enough that astrology and especially webinars are very taxing, difficult for the brain, and we become tired! These days I easily become tired.

Stefan wrote:

So yes his period in november 2008 was Jupiter-Jupiter-Rahu during the election. It changed short thereafter to Jupiter-saturn, just AFTER the election. Krishnamurti ayanamsha sets in a bit earlier than Lahiri ayanamsha, so in Krishnamurti ayanamsha it's jupiter-saturn as you say, when the election date was. There is a little difference between the two ayanamshas.

There are only about two weeks difference in timing between the Lahiri and Krishnamaurti dasa and sub-period dates. But this one difference is significant for anyone who wants to study the precision of dates for timing:

Biden win of the election, 4 November 2008
Jupiter-Jupiter-Rahu (Lahiri)
Jupiter-Saturn-Saturn (Krishnamurti)

Both ayanamsas give Jupiter-Rahu-Jupiter for the 2020 election. I'm not sure about the significance of Rahu since ADB doesn't mention any significant events in Biden's life during Rahu's dasa. And Biden's Rahu is in the star/mansion of Ketu in the 4th. Rahu and Ketu are difficult to interpret in Biden's chart because they are in each other's mansons, so cycle back and forth to each other. But in Biden's chart, Jupiter is a star!

hi mark,

i have had more time to think about the idea of what is important in this election - the election date - nov 3rd 2020, or the inauguration date - jan 20th 2021... the conversation reminds me a bit of the ideas i remember reading many years ago about the importance of the conception chart, as opposed to the birth chart... it's different, but it reminded me of that - alice bailey i think was one of those pushing for the conception chart..

the way i see it i continue to see the importance of the nov 3rd date here... that is the election date and unless it changes or something, i think the inauguration date is after the fact... i am sure astrologers can see all sorts of things in all sorts of charts.. in the past few days i was doing relocation charts to the candidates to washington dc and running the data to the 20 jan date.. i shared some of this on the kamala harris thread..

it gets complicated if instead of working with one date - an astrologer works with a few... i see things changing to more favourable with biden once his nov 20th solar return begins... up until that time, if i am to base my views on his chances for nov 3rd - they don't look nearly as favourable.. so it then becomes a question of what do i lean on for a prediction?? i am leaning on the nov 3rd date and haven't included the ideas i've recently gotten off the relocation data to the jan 20th date..

i continue to believe the nov 3rd date is the important date and that there is a possibility something strange will happen on this particular election date... i don't believe it is super clear who the winner is in spite of the various predictions including mine for this particular date..

i think the fact we can have astrologers who are saying that trump or biden will win based off their particular astrological techniques implies that there is a good bit of subjectivity to it all... to want objectivity in astrology seems like a fools game to me... i think everyone has to work with what they use that they rely on to give them greater clarity on the future and what it holds.. perhaps some are much better then others... i am sure that is the case...

well that is about all i have to say on that!! the picture does look different for jan 20th 2021, but i am basing my viewpoint on what i believe is the most significant date - nov 3rd 2020... unless something changes, that is indeed how i see it....

i look forward to your prediction if you are giving one! cheers james

hey - when you get a chance McRae - and i am not using secondary progs - unless tertiary and minor progs are considered secondary progs.. i am however using solar arc directions... thanks.. james

"James McRrae *
Location: Canada
Zodiac: Sidereal (Krishnamurti ayanamsa)
Techniques: Transits, profections, secondary Progesssions, tertiary progressions, solar returns."

james_m wrote:i continue to believe the nov 3rd date is the important date and that there is a possibility something strange will happen on this particular election date... i don't believe it is super clear who the winner is in spite of the various predictions including mine for this particular date..

i think the fact we can have astrologers who are saying that trump or biden will win based off their particular astrological techniques implies that there is a good bit of subjectivity to it all... to want objectivity in astrology seems like a fools game to me...

Agreed.

The last time Mercury was stationed direct on election day 2000 (as it is again this time in 2020), the hanging chads happened in Florida and the election had to go to court for a decision.

The ancients say that Mercury represents suspension / suspense. Think of the visual as in suspense hanging in the air. Jupiter is its opposite and represents the gavel settling the matter.

I don't think we will have a decision on election day. Neither side will concede defeat. I don't think we'll know until about mid December after the eclipse.

The pandemic was declared just as Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto all lined up in late Capricorn. The sign is associated with generally bad things associated with winter, death and government. Jupiter is in a state of shackles and buried in a pit (literally what fall means in astrology). Jupiter is the principle of freedom and justice. Social distancing and "lockdown" due to the fear of sundisease is a saturnian manifestation (I personally think this is vastly overblown after studying the medical data).

Saturn is also associated with statism and slavery conditions. Mars and Pluto both with violence, Mars with servility. Pluto with decay. Alan White used to say that Pluto makes big things small and small things big. Pluto in Capricorn also represents abuse of government power. All these point to extreme social unrest.

Freedom will undergo a difficult time while in the sign of its fall (Jupiter in Capricorn). Soon (late this year), Jupiter will escape into Aquarius where it is no longer in its depressed state, but it will still be owned by Saturn (Saturn is ruler of Aquarius and Capricorn). Some relief to the lockdown might be coming with conditions attached (Saturn).

Next late spring into summer 2021, Jupiter enters Pisces (it then owns itself, though is forced to share power with the lesser benefic (Venus)). This should bring some level of poetic justice, but Jupiter goes back into Aquarius for the rest of the year. Maybe the first inkling that this pandemic has been a bit of a fraud perpetrated on the people for the purposes of control.

Sometime around late summer 2022 is another great change when Jupiter finally escapes the hold of Saturn and the tables will be turned by 2023. At this point Saturn enters Pisces and is owned by Jupiter. Some level of order and justice should be restored, but the criminals in high places won't be fully outed yet.

The transit that I'm really waiting for is Saturn conjunct Neptune at the beginning of Aries around 2025 - 26. At this point Saturn (government) which currently has freedom by the balls, should be on the run. Saturn will be in the same depressed state that Jupiter was in in Capricorn and even worse conjoins the planet of "self undoing and dissolution" Neptune.

This suggests that those currently using the pandemic for control will have some explaining to do. Why did they allow "gain of function" research then offshore it to Wuhan? I think the Saturn / Neptune conjunction in Aries represents the current generations "Nuremberg moment".

Inaugural Moons Tell Of Party Change in WH

If the inaugural Moon rises before or sets after the inauguration takes place expect change of party, if it rises after or sets before the inauguration occurs do not expect a change of party.

In 5 of the 6 times this did not hold true since 1861 there were unique transits involving the Sibly chart on the day of the inauguration.

1861 – Sibly Chart Uranus return, occurs once in about 84 years.
1885 – Inaugural Uranus conjoined Sibly MC, occurs once in about 84 years.
1893 – Inaugural Neptune conjoined Sibly Uranus, occurs once in about 164 years and inaugural Pluto also conjoined Sibly Uranus which occurs once in about 245 years.
1981 – The only inauguration conducted on the same day as a Full Moon.
1985 – The only inauguration conducted on the same day as a New Moon.

Then there was this:
2017 – Russian interference.

31 inaugurations since 1893. Without outliers it was true for 28 of them. Remove the outliers and it worked 27 times out of 28, missing only in 2017 (Russian interference) . Without interference perhaps 28 out of 28 for 100% effectiveness.

In 2021, If inauguration is at noon, the MC will be at 298°17'. The Moon will have risen before then when the MC was at 292°24′. When the Moon rises before inauguration expect change of party.

Since this is an election prediction thread, I will say that I think Trump gets re-elected. However I cannot make this statement based upon the astrology alone. The reasoning is just too close a call either way. My reasoning for this is because of the mail in voting issue. I think this is why it will be contested into December with a repeat of the Mercury SD hanging chads type of fiasco, but this time with mail in voting problems.

In my admittedly limited rural area of upstate NY where I travel (about a 30 mile radius), I have not seen a single Biden sign. They're all pro Trump. Add to that the effect that the pandemic is having on the cities of gutting their populations at just the wrong time with businesses all boarded up...

https://open.lbry.com/@wearechange:1/ho ... 8nW5g4STpC

And you see voter turnout in cities plummet. It's been a long observed demographic fact that cities vote blue and rural votes red. This is a huge disadvantage to the democrats in this election.

No wonder the democrats want mail in voting and Trump is trying to stop it. The mass exodus from cities happening all over the country due to the riots and pandemic will likely leave many democrat voters unable to vote in the district they currently reside in until at the earliest 2022.

So I suspect that Trump will win the electoral college (maybe declare premature victory on election night), but due to extraordinary circumstances of the pandemic, it will be challenged.

2020 Presidential Election wagering Odds Chart since Jan 2020:

https://www.oddsshark.com/politics/2020 ... ds-futures

Scroll down about a 1/3 of page for a progression of the betting odds since Jan 2020. Interesting to note in Feb Biden was + 2000 underdog to win Prez. Since Trump is now an even bet to win Prez, one could have bet 100 $ on Biden to win Prez in Feb, and then today bet 1000 $ on Trump to win Prez, and the worst outcome for the better would be a 900 $ win no matter who wins Prez. I think this was back in the days when Bernie was a big favorite to win Dem Nomination that Biden was a + 2000 underdog to take Prez. Proving betting psychology can change rapidly for a Prez election.

Makes me think if the real powers behind the Dem Party knew there was no way Bernie would get Dem Nomination but had a good idea Biden would get the Nomination? If so, this type of insider knowledge would have banked a lot of $ with hedge betting no matter who wins Prez. I know a couple of political experts in the Dem Party stated emphatically Bernie would never get the Dem nomination.

The betting odds today on this election are basically even as the predictions are in this thread who wins.