Taurus7 wrote:So we conceivably could have millions of horaries asking the same question in different places around America and the rest of the world, at different times in different locations.... So we could have 300 million+ horaries, all conceivably pointing to the same answer.

That's not how it works...

Thanks for pointing out the absurd. Statistically, there could be 150 million correct horaries and the other half wrong. The ones that get the correct answer most likely just lucky.

Personally, I don't believe astrology is an efficient cause. I think it works because life follows heavy correlative set theoretic conditions (life is not nearly as random as it appears to the average person). Astrologers are in the business of mapping set theoretic probabilities based on a cosmological model of nature.

We shouldn't make this thread run away with side issues about what does or does not make a horary radical and which houses to use, etc. Mark had mentioned in another thread that he would be interested in a horary approach, so I shared mine that I had asked earnestly several months back.

Here is the link to my prediction for the upcoming elections. I trust it will be included in the other topic:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/qhp-hell ... 696588282/

It's either Trump or no man manages to get 270 electoral votes on the 3rd of November. If Biden's birth time is accurate, I just don't see him winning.

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We shouldn't make this thread run away with side issues about what does or does not make a horary radical and which houses to use, etc. Mark had mentioned in another thread that he would be interested in a horary approach, so I shared mine that I had asked earnestly several months back.

Thanks for for your horary analysis Tanit,

I quite agree your prediction shouldn't be the kick off for a wider debate on the legitimacy of horary for mundane astrology here. I intend to open a thread on that after the US election is over. I think its an interesting question. In my 2016 election list I excluded horary for some of the reasons given above. But notwithstanding these objections I am fully aware of I decided to include delineation by accomplished horary astrologers in my 2020 list. However, I am excluding predictions by random horary students on forums. To keep this simple I only included charts cast by astrologers based in the USA asking about their POTUS. I wanted to see if any pattern evolved or if the charts all contradicted each other. I do find it interesting that all four horary delineations I have seen by US based experienced horary practitioners concur Trump is likely to win. Clearly, not enough for a statistically, significant result but intriguing nonetheless. It will be interesting to revisit this after November 3rd.

Tanit, would you like your analysis added to the list of predictions?

Mark

Amelia wrote:

And as we know you can't be asking the same question again in horary unless the circumstances change dramatically. So my view is that once a horary has been asked and published like this one, no one else who has seen it should be able to ask again. They may offer their own interpretations of the existing chart but not produce a new one.

So I think the horary is valid.

I do have two horary charts in my list from traditional astrologers based in Los Angeles who asked their questions before Tanit.

https://traditionalmedicalastrology.org ... rediction/

Its a tricky one where people are posting horary charts on this all over the planet. Who going to police this and tell an astrologer their chart is invalid? An alternative would be to see what the majority of horary charts indicate. There is one American astrologer I know that has a 'horary team' that repeatedly asks questions throughout election year to monitor the situation in the primaries and swing states. He claims an exceptionally high prediction rate accuracy using this approach.

However as it is a horary I would have expected the ASc to represent the Querent (Tanit) not the President. Tanit - can you explain your thinking on that?

Yes I agree. Unless Tanit is a supporting Trump and rooting for him to win??? My take is that POTUS should be lord 10 (her President/ruler). That changes the delineation somewhat. However, I think the POV Tanit has adopted is that since Trump and Biden are competing for the future office of President the prize which is Lord 10 belongs to neither of the candidates yet. This is an interesting approach but the querent seems to completely disappear in this method which seems more like a mundane than a horary approach.

Mark

Hi Mark - regarding my method, I viewed the chart like a battle chart primarily, since this is a competition. I am by no means an expert and I wouldn't be surprised to be wrong. I am not a fan of either party but I would prefer to not have Trump as president anymore. For me it is a question of which is the lesser of two evils. At least here Biden as Mars would be moving into Pisces, a dignified area for Mars, and could suggest that me might be a better leader if he was elected.

If we gave Venus as the president and Biden as the 7th lord then Venus is weaker than Mars but the 10th holds a fixed luminary and also a very strong Mercury (the strongest planet in the chart). That would still favor the current president. It is interesting how strong Mercury is - I didn't realize in May when I asked this but I do think it is highlighting the importance of how ballots will be handled during a mail delivery problem and a pandemic where people may not be able to vote in person, in which case Trump may have an upper hand? The only thing that I think supports me possibly being wrong is that the 10th rules the reputation of the astrologer and Sun with Algol could suggest I damage my reputation - not that I really care about reputations much since I am not an astrologer by profession and have nothing to lose either way. As someone with a strong Mars in Aries I enjoy challenges and of course being right though!

I do find it interesting that all four horary delineations I have seen by US based experienced horary practitioners concur Trump is likely to win. Clearly, not enough for a statistically, significant result but intriguing nonetheless. It will be interesting to revisit this after November 3rd.

This is interesting considering in the US we usually have a pretty reliable method of predicting when a president will not be re-elected: the state of the economy. Most people I talk to in California do not think he will be re-elected and I will admit that when I asked this question I was influenced by the statistics of presidents not being re-elected during a bad economy. I was surprised that the chart suggested the opposite.

Hello:

I have been working on some charts but am not ready to predict yet. However, the charts that I have seen look chaotic and I have been wondering what that might indicate. And then this happened!

It appears the BBC has not yet picked this up so I'm sharing it here (hope that's OK):

https://secondnexus.com/donald-trump-lo ... s-atlantic

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Thanks Michael. That one slipped me by. The US Presidential election always lead to very polarised views but things seem to have got very toxic in this electoral cycle. Its a worrying signal of where the US seems to be these days.

Mark

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Thanks Michael. That one slipped me by. The US Presidential election always lead to very polarised views but things seem to have got very toxic in this electoral cycle. Its a worrying signal of where the US seems to be these days.

Mark

You are welcome, Mark.

I am sure you would have noticed it soon. But I did not want to let it stand there any longer, once I had found it.

I agree that it is a disturbing signal when even our little astro forum is turned into a platform for inflammatory political statements.

Michael

You can delete this my post but I'm curious what's this event chart says about election?
Washington, DC on September 26, 2020, (The event started at noon Saturday and was scheduled until 2:00 p.m.).

Prayer march draws thousands to the Mall seeking healing for the nation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/so ... story.html

Graham, son of the late evangelist Billy Graham, said in a promotional video that the march was appropriate because it coincided with Trump’s selection of a Supreme Court justice and that the president needed prayer because “it’s maybe the most critical time in recent history.???

“There are those that would like to tear this nation apart, to keep a conservative justice off the bench. The president said he was going to appoint conservatives,??? Graham said. “He’s keeping his word; he’s kept his promise. We now need to just pray that God would watch over and protect him.???
“The country isn’t as divided as they say,??? she said, gesturing to the thousands milling peacefully near the Washington Monument, where flags were at half-staff for Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and near the White House, where Trump was about to announce his replacement at a news conference. “The evidence is all around you.???

The women, both Black, saw the summer’s focus on systemic racism as part of an evil plan to divide. There is no race, they said, and there can be racial prejudice from every group against another — it’s not particular to White people against Black people.

“We look at it from a Christian worldview, not a secular worldview. Evil is now good, and good has become evil,??? Guilfo said, as her friend nodded. “There is no ‘social justice.’ There’s just justice.???