Tanit3333 wrote:I had a very long horary discussion with a Moon-Saturn chart before in another forum where the querent assumed the other party put in no effort and did not care, etc. and did not believe me. The problem was not resolved until a mutual friend had them in the same room and told them how ridiculous they both were being and that they were both madly in love with one another. It could appear to the Saturn person that the Moon does not care, etc. but they may also be mistaken. The Moon puts up a shell of protection around them against the Saturn person as a defense mechanism. Again, I am just speaking generally from over a decade of experience with my own chart and the charts of others. Horary is always the same though regarding this energy and it is often in the natal charts/connections.

This is a beautiful and powerful and spot on insight and articulation, Tanit. I support and agree with all of this. And it has been painful for both of them. It's interesting that you mention the "Saturn questioning the moon caring", it's always been such a point of contention for both of them. Saturn accusing moon of not caring. Saturn internalizing Moon's actions as lacking care. Moon being like I care, I care.

Let me look into that composite.

Tanit3333 wrote:

The moon isn't ready to work on anything, L7 is the one who runs and becomes scared, etc, etc but always tries to come back. I know L1 would also pull away through if L7 came running at full force. That said this also represents the cadent houses. Even if they come together, it will only be over the passing of time.

Then this should answer your question. If the quesited is not willing to move forward then it would be in the querent's best interest to move on. This Moon-Saturn type of connection is extremely bad for someone's mental health if it is not expressed in positive ways. It would be for the best for this person to move on if she feels the other party is unable to commit but I would caution that she may not be in the best frame of mind to judge that about this person without sitting down and having a long and serious discussion with the other party so that both can clear the air on their grievances and maturely and openly talk about what the other person is not providing for the other party. Moon-Saturn often represents this most of all - not receiving a basic need and longing for it to be met by the other party, yet not being able to express this need to the other person.

Saturn has moved on physically, living life, going about her business. Emotionally though she is still connected, strongly so. That will be on Saturn to figure out how to navigate.

I never would have thought to look into the composite at all, but you absolutely called it. Thank you for this learning.

Important points I'm seeing:
- Moon Saturn conjunction
- Venus conjunctions ascendent. Thats pretty major.
- North node conjuncts 5th house cusp

Synastry I just produced the chart:
- L1 is on the horizontal L7 is vertical
- L7s moon is not aspected but looked into it deeper and there's a moon/ moon novile that makes up for it. Also there is a vertex connection, the mini moon, so it might make up for it.
- L7's NN actually overlays her 7th




Appreciate all the additional learnings. I don't have many other charts, but if I find something interesting as I got back and review, I'll want to post.

Also, I found this amazing site that basically captures all the aspects between two people. If you want to use it it's much more precise and insightful than astro. It's by far the most detailed reading I've ever seen and give a much greater sense of what might be going on between two people. This isn't specific to this chart but I did find it very very helpful in general. I have a guy friend I just met recently, found out he was engaged and his ex fiancé left him at the alter basically and I've been using this site to look into the dynamics there. This was years ago though and he's moved on but it's really good.

http://www.kentauren.info/cgi-bin/synas ... noframes=1

The south node being involved in BOTH charts only adds to the karmic pull between them. I am sure this is a very significant relationship to both people and is an important learning experience for relationships, even if it does not lead to something stable.

Without going down a rabbit hole of these charts, does anything else stand out to you? Yes, incredibly significant and impactful relationship both.

Also, I'm sorry to add it again but I cannot recommend this site enough. It's a bit cumbersome and I candidly don't look into synastry often but I was amazing at the level of detail and insight it provides and it comes out in a list against all the contacts. So you can easy see whats of relevance and sort. In vedic astrology novile's are profound and it wasn't until I checked this site out I was able to determine the moon novile moon!

http://www.kentauren.info/cgi-bin/synas ... noframes=1

The natal charts disappeared before I had a chance to comment and look at them more. I am in the middle of moving/cleaning so don't have a ton of time to look at charts so hopefully others can help too.

Was the male the strong Sagittarius? Obviously the synastry of the Sag Venus person conjunct his Sag stellium would be significant and she is a strong Saturn person where he has Venus in Cap, showing he would be drawn to that too. One potential major issue I immediately saw was the SN of who I am guessing is her is conjunct his Venus. This is said to be like a past life experience being brought forward again and the lesson is to let go of the person and learn to go on independently without them. As with the south node, we often do the opposite and remain attached when we need to let go. That is a pretty strong influence in concert with the other karmic things that already stood out. They are both Venus-Neptune types, so they idealize people and want that soul mate connection, which is basically what this relationship would be like, although his looked to be a much wider orb than hers.

The connection is obviously very deep and lasting but it would be difficult to overcome indicators that basically say they probably need to let go one another.

Tanit3333 wrote:I had a very long horary discussion with a Moon-Saturn chart before in another forum where the querent assumed the other party put in no effort and did not care, etc. and did not believe me. The problem was not resolved until a mutual friend had them in the same room and told them how ridiculous they both were being and that they were both madly in love with one another. It could appear to the Saturn person that the Moon does not care, etc. but they may also be mistaken. The Moon puts up a shell of protection around them against the Saturn person as a defense mechanism. Again, I am just speaking generally from over a decade of experience with my own chart and the charts of others. Horary is always the same though regarding this energy and it is often in the natal charts/connections.

When I tend to get bogged down in a definite answer/technicalities Tanit's insights are always just so relatable. So well-read and logical but it's really the intuition, the perceptive power, I don't think I can ever emulate. I can testify that all you said about this horary placement and the nodal placements rings true as gold.

Congratulations on the house move by the way!

I noted Node/Angle in WJ's synastry. I once did a small survey on married celeb couples who claimed to fall in love at first sight and experience an intense, ongoing passion. All 40 pairs have light/node or node/angle or light/angle placements.

Among the 40 celeb couples I surveyed, there was no exception. No exception at all. You can pull up a list from the tabloids and see for yourself. ("10 Hollywood Couples who fell in love at first sight", etc)

I have tons of personal experience with such placements too, and it's my feeling also they are deep and intense. My significant other of 7 years and going strong have Moon/South Node with me. My bestie has Moon/North Node with me. My best guy friend has Moon/South Node and Sun/North Node with me. My North Node also is conjunct his Sun.

These people I commit to like a religion but sometimes they are so important to me, the relationships so profound, they scare me.

Tanit said it: no matter how it played out this was a significant relationship.

These placements (light/node, node/angle, light/angle) especially light/node really is the only thing I know for SURE about in synastry. Other placements I'm not experienced enough to comment.

Amelia

AmeliaS wrote:

Tanit3333 wrote:I had a very long horary discussion with a Moon-Saturn chart before in another forum where the querent assumed the other party put in no effort and did not care, etc. and did not believe me. The problem was not resolved until a mutual friend had them in the same room and told them how ridiculous they both were being and that they were both madly in love with one another. It could appear to the Saturn person that the Moon does not care, etc. but they may also be mistaken. The Moon puts up a shell of protection around them against the Saturn person as a defense mechanism. Again, I am just speaking generally from over a decade of experience with my own chart and the charts of others. Horary is always the same though regarding this energy and it is often in the natal charts/connections.

When I tend to get bogged down in a definite answer/technicalities Tanit's insights are always just so relatable. So well-read and logical but it's really the intuition, the perceptive power, I don't think I can ever emulate. I can testify that all you said about this horary placement and the nodal placements was true as gold.

I noted Node/Angle in WJ's synastry. I once did a small survey on married celeb couples who claimed to fall at love in first sight and experience an intense, ongoing passion. All 40 pairs have light/node or node/angle or light/angle placements.

Among the 40 celeb couples I surveyed, there was no exception. No exception at all. You can pull up a list from the tabloids and see for yourself. ("10 Hollywood Couples who fell in love at first sight", etc)

I have tons of personal experience with such placemens too, and my feeling also this is a very intense placement. My significant other for 7 years and going strong have Moon/South Node with me. My bestie has Sun/South Node with me. My best guy friend has Moon/South Node and Sun/North Node with me. My North Node also is conjunct his Sun.

These people I commit to like a religion but sometimes they are so important to me, the relationships so profound, they scare me.

Tanit said it: no matter how it played out this was a significant relationship.

These placement (light/node, node/angle, light/angle) especially light/node really is the only thing I know for SURE about in synastry. Other placements I'm not experienced enough to comment.

Amelia

Thank you so much for this, I didn't think to read the composite and I hadn't even noticed the sun/ south node connection in it.

I will say that Tanit's insights and articulation really resonated, strongly and deeply, but yours do too. Your insights are also very in-tune and perceptive and intuitive. For me, the nuance here is that both of you have a strength in terms of emotional intelligence and it shows in your readings, findings and insights.

Plus, I learned today that you can link your horary to composite and synastry to determine some additional insights.

Also, congrats on the move as well!! When I read it I thought, did she end up buying and does she have a chart to analyze lol I hope the move is going well!!

AmeliaS wrote: The translation fits the technical definition but whatever this means must fit the context; sometimes it doesn't mean anything very significant.

I agree with this statement. He re the planets the Moon is separating from
andapplying to are the cosignificator (Venus) and the significator (Saturn)
of the female querent.

To interpret this constellation as a translation of light saying the quesited
would connect or unify the two significators of the querent with themselves,
makes no sense.

More obvious would it be to see this constellation testifying the separation
of the quesited (Moon) from the querent (Venus) in the past and then (po-
tentially) his further turning towards the querent (Saturn).

I've been proudly steeped in Astrology a couple of years now and I look forward to the day when the populace takes it more seriously and votes Astrologically.

If people would use astrology to find a life partner, the divorce rate would plummet. In India a woman won't even accept a date with someone unless that person first shows his chart. Astrologically, Biden and Harris have almost perfect synastry. There's a magnetism between Aries and Scorpio. No, Harris is not a Sun sign Aries (Her sun is in Libra) but she has her Moon in Aries, and she has Mercury and Venus in Scorpio, which compliments Biden's Scorpio placements.

They can see eye to eye. Just like Trump and Pence, perfect synastry. they're both Gemini's, including Barr, they both have Mars in Leo. Neither one of them have any Earth in their charts (their feet aren't on the ground) but opposites do attract, and both Melania and Mike's wife Karen (who he calls Mother) both are very Earthy women, with their feet on the ground. I'm encouraged to hear that the Millennials are turning to Astrology! Nancy Reagan used Astrology throughout the 8 years she's was First Lady, employing the services of Joanne Quigley her favorite Astrologer.

Because Astrology is such an alienating subject, it's usage has no choice but to do underground and secretive. You might be surprised that Human Resource Directors may secretly use it to screen applicants.

La Jupiter wrote:I've been proudly steeped in Astrology a couple of years now and I look forward to the day when the populace takes it more seriously and votes Astrologically.

...In India a woman won't even accept a date with someone unless that person first shows his chart.

doesn't solve the problem- I showed it to so many - they all still refused