Hi everyone,

A quick question, just to double check my understanding.
I've received a horary question about a person who deals with a mental illness of sorts (some addictions, despair, past trauma, volatile temper, depression) and was at a loss for a time about whether to use the 6th or the 12th as indicators for the illness.

The 6th being the house of illness, plain and simple.
The 12th being the house of mental woes, self undoing and self harm.

From the small checks I've run it seems that most sources would use the 12th.
Anthony Louis in his main horary book cites the 12th as the house of mental illness.
Frawley in his textbook says that he gives the 12th dominion over addictions, self-undoing and other such harmful practices (though it is a bit vague, as far as a definition goes)
Deb Houlding also gives sorrow, misery and fear as domains of the 12th in her house index: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/index_list.html

What do you think?

12th... thought of it before i saw the examples..

Thanks James.

Just remembered that one should also check the condition of the lord of the 1st house to see what it is up to. In terms of will the querent feel better or worse over time, what trails & tribulations or mood alleviation await him.

Kira Sutherland, a very good medical astrologer says...
"The Sun is organic, the Moon is functional and the AS is physical.
While the 6th shows acute ailments, the 12th shows chronic ailments."

Common to mental illness are hidden and hard to diagnose diseases which seems to fit more the 12th.
Almost all variants of astrology implicate the ill effects of the moon on mental illness. Talk with people working in emergencies at Full Moon.

DOI: https://doi.org/10.31275/2018/1260
"In a study led by 3 Indian shcolars on 150 subjects (75 having mental illness and 75 without), they asked 4 astrologers selected for interpretations and Qualified Bachelor's Degree in Indian Astrology, following the same Panchaanga (Indian calendar) for interpretations, with a minimum of 5 years of experience in interpreting birth charts and planetary position effects, and had publications in the form of astrological books, journal articles, or magazine articles. The astrologers in this study used the principles of Vedic astrology as compiled by Vrhamihira for interpretation, as it is the most sophisticated and widely used compared with other Indian systems."

The four astrologers blind to the subjects interpreted the computer-generated birth chart data derived from subject's gender, and date, time, and place of birth and came up with about 75% accuracy.
The comparison of symptom clusters generated in the clinical interview by certified psychologists or psychiatrists showed a match of only 26 out of 75 (34.6%) in the mental illness group and 32 out of 75 (42.6%) in the no mental illness group."

thanks dima

i am into natal astro.. horary isn't my wheel house.. i wonder what happened to tanit? she seems brilliant at this horary astrology..

in my desire to understand this topic you raise, i have mostly focused on the 2 planets i associate with the mind - mercury and moon.. i have some theories, but the horary forum is not the place for them.. cheers james

Tanit is female?
I was sure Tanit is guy...
(I know, it shouldn't matter )

Which country is she from?

usa - california..