Just to clarify a few points: I don't use the Morin system myself, but from what I have seen so far of Mark's presentations, he seems to represent it closely and accurately. I haven't checked the aspect circles, but I'm sure they are correctly calculated as well. As I said before, I haven't seen any other application that includes them. For anyone who wants to explore Morin in depth, the best place to begin is Richard Baldwin's translation of Astrologia Gallica XXI, entitled The Morinus System of Horoscope Interpretation, followed by James Holden's translations of some of the other books (especially books XXII on directions and XXIII on annual revolutions).

Bezza, on the other hand, was a Placidus man. Both Morin and Placidus (who were contemporaries) rejected a number of traditional concepts/techniques (though not always the same ones) and invented new ones, so their styles of astrology differ quite considerably. Among other things, Morin rejected the hyleg doctrine, but Placidus held on to it. To do Bezza justice, I do think he used one significator at a time (in this case, the Sun as hyleg); he just mentions a few supporting directions occurring around the same time, which is something Morin sometimes did as well.

Personally, I don't follow Placidus either; my own approach is more classical/medieval. And I agree that directions are not a simple technique to add to an eclectic toolbox. They require a certain effort to understand and apply, and form part of a hierarchical rather than an eclectic method of reading a chart.

I like the visual of your online tool Mark. Morin would be proud of you.
Thank you for sharing!
I would like to find the Circumambulation through the Bounds as per Dorotheus in Book3
More here annotated by Deborah Houlding
www.skyscript.co.uk/dorotheus3notes.pdf


Other resources
Morinus
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Sylvia de Ayala
https://carta-natal.es/direcciones-primarias.php
Primary Directions - Direct and Converse topocentric with Naibod's key based on the book 'Analysis and prediction II" by Alexander Marr.
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Planetdance
with many options for Primary Directions (Ptolemy, Naibod, One degree, Cardan, Mn SA in RA and Brahe.)

hey mark

thanks for the additional commentary... they may be different tools, but they appear to get similar results based on what you have shared, and what i can re-create using the morinus software..

martin

i liked what you said here.. thanks.. weren't you making a case for placidus houses just recently?? or maybe that was quadrant, as opposed to whs houses..

Martin Gansten wrote:
Personally, I don't follow Placidus either; my own approach is more classical/medieval. And I agree that directions are not a simple technique to add to an eclectic toolbox. They require a certain effort to understand and apply, and form part of a hierarchical rather than an eclectic method of reading a chart.

No, I haven't argued in favour of Placidus houses. Personally I use Alcabitius, but I don't usually debate choices of house system, zodiac, etc. I did recently argue (in the academic sense, as a historian) that Valens' preferred method of calculating houses/places by degree was based on quadrant division; but the system he outlines (citing Orion) is the one known today as Porphyry.

markrusborn wrote:That is why I highly recommend using the https://morinus.work/ online chart to get the right length of the arcs and correct timing.

Sorry, I always get

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or an entirely blank page. Maybe depending on the date/time format. Which formatting is correct?

I looked at it with my cellphone and could see that is the required format. That means seconds are required and a comma after the day. But I cannot enter the correct date on the mobile if I do not want to click 700 times on the arrow to go 700 months back from now. Manual input is not possible on my mobile and it still does not work on my laptop.

Edit: You can click on the year in calendar view and scroll to the year as desired!

Another question @markrusborn arose:

How does morinus.work calculate antiscia? If there is Venus at 12°35' Taurus it declares a conjunction per antiscia with Venus at 10° Taurus in early years of life and at 19° Leo after 107 years such as the antiscia of Venus is wandering. Why this? What do I misunderstand?