Currently, the prediction list for the US election stands with over two thirds of astrologers predicting a Harris win.
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This ratio of astrologers favouring Harris to win is reflected in Vedic astrology too.
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However, I have noted one exception to this trend. Three astrologers on my list are using Uranian bodies and this has led them all to predict a Trump win.

The Astrologers concerned are Bill Meridian, Michael R Svehla, and Archie Dunlop.

I dont claim to know much about Uranian astrology. And this clearly not a very large sample of astrologers. However, I would be intrigued to hear from any astrologers working with Uranian techniques to get their take on this. Do they agree with these delineations?

Here are the links to the predictions:

Michael Svehla
https://www.triplewaterastrology.com/pr ... mB7GLsu6Ug

Bill Meridian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzVup_3uWYs&t=335s

Archie Dunlop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNcMCtDxyHI

Mark

bill meridian is using the 951 am time for trump... i wonder what the other ones are using??

mark - in your main post on this, there are 7 messages like this -
"This Facebook post is no longer available. It may have been removed, or the privacy settings of the post may have changed."
it must be hard to track astrologers who continue to use the medium!! with so many other mediums available it continues to surprise me the popularity of fb, especially when the results are so obvious!!

Mark wrote:

This ratio of astrologers favouring Harris to win is reflected in Vedic astrology too.
viewtopic.php?t=12768

However, I have noted one exception to this trend. Three astrologers on my list are using Uranian bodies and this has led them all to predict a Trump win.

Thanks, Mark. I didn't see your October 14 post on Vedic astrology as I've been forgetting to scroll down to the Sidereal lists. it's interesting that two "big names" in Vedic astrology are predicting a Trump win, Joni Patry and Edith Hathaway.

The Uranian perspective is interesting, so we'll see. Thank you again for all your work on the election lists. Much appreciated!

Mark,

Michael Svehla has a 404 error
Bill Meridian uses partly Uranian astrology and puts more emphasis on the lunations... with a 9:51 am chart.
Archie Dunlop brings several systems on the table, even horary.
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My preliminary approach with Uranian astrology before I withdrew from the rat race of predictions on this election was...
1) In the rulebook, there is one entry for Presidents and Kings = SU+KR (Kronos). Planets and midpoints, natal, Solar Arc, transit.
We have to remember that the Rulebook was written early 20th Century at a time when MO+KR might not have been viewed as potientally a woman's Queen or President, in which case a female President might be the norm today.
2) The 2 most personal points according to Alfred Witte were the MC and the Aries Point, which applies for such a position 'in the world'.

If you find other midpoints or hard aspects to Kronos, this might indicate a secondary position to being the President. Like Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State who connected by JU/KR.

3) In resume, SU+KR, MO+KR, MC and AR are the factors to consider (natal, SA, transits)
But I have not seen a clear-cut predominance between Trump and Harris.
If anything I would give Harris the edge with natal MO/MC and SU/MC = AR
But Trump has natal SU+KR = AS, so anything happening to his AS, we must keep in mind that it carries the SU+KR in the background.

But I will leave it to other astrologers to dive in to the potential results.

Ouranos

James_M wrote:

bill meridian is using the 951 am time for trump... i wonder what the other ones are using??

Yes. This was the old time put out for Trump on ADB before a birth certificate appeared. Meridian claims to have obtained the data personally from Trump family members. However, I think BC time looks more likely. All the other astrologers out there are all using the Astrodatabank time. However, Meridian seems to rely Uranian objects most in discussing Harris's chart.

James wrote:

mark - in your main post on this, there are 7 messages like this -
"This Facebook post is no longer available. It may have been removed, or the privacy settings of the post may have changed."
it must be hard to track astrologers who continue to use the medium!! with so many other mediums available it continues to surprise me the popularity of fb, especially when the results are so obvious!!

Yes James. I had noticed! Its very irritating. I have been trying to repair the links but for some reason they are being rejected. They have not been removed but they relate to private FB posts or posts on private FB groups. I am especially upset that the link to Gary Lorentzen's article cannot be restored. I may post it on Skyscript so others can read it.

Mark

Therese Hamilton wrote:

Thanks, Mark. I didn't see your October 14 post on Vedic astrology as I've been forgetting to scroll down to the Sidereal lists. it's interesting that two "big names" in Vedic astrology are predicting a Trump win, Joni Patry and Edith Hathaway.

Yes the Indian forum has become a little tumbleweed like.

Joni Patry and Edith Hathaway may be ''big names'' as you put it but frankly neither has an impressive record predicting US Elections. Both predicted a Clinton win in 2016 and a Trump win in 2020. Moreover, in the case of Edith Hathway at least she clearly has partisan political views which may influence her delineation. In her article she describes this election as a battle between the Globalists (Democrats) and Nationalists (Republicans). I hesitated whether to still include Edith Hathaway in the list after Biden withdrew as all she did to her original article was insert a sentence stating she still thought Trump would win. There was no analysis of the chart of Kamala Harris.

Personally, one of the more interesting Vedic predictions I have seen is by Komilla Sutton. She cites her personal research into US Presidential Elections. Her thesis is that the candidate with the personal dashas most aligned to the US national chart tend to win. Like most Vedic astrologers she uses the so called Kelleher chart ( 18.30 LMT, July 4th 1776). I have a lot of issues with this chart and would challenge its historical credibility. However, I do find it intrguing that most Tropicalists and Siderealists have settled on a preferred chart for the USA which is Sagittarius rising. In the case of tropical astrologers the so called Sibly chart. I think this theory would be interesting to test out with a more historically reliable chart like the POTUSA chart.

Anyway, here is the You Tube presentation by Komilla Sutton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FutzL7udYsg

Ouranos wrote:

Michael Svehla has a 404 error.
Bill Meridian uses partly Uranian astrology and puts more emphasis on the lunations... with a 9:51 am chart.
Archie Dunlop brings several systems on the table, even horary.

I have restored the correct link for Michael R Svehla's piece above.

I discuss the Bill Meridian use of 09.51 am in my reply to James above. However, he seems to be using Uranian objects most heavily in regards Harris so I am not sure how relevant that is.

I agree Archie Dunlop uses a variety of approaches.

Incidentall,y, the Australian astrologer Julija Simas who was on the same astro panel with Bill Meridian questioned Uranian astrology's use of 8 objects which all seem to be male!

Mark

Mark,

I read the article of Michael Svehla with interest.
The issue remains how much weight you put on certain aspects of the charts analyzed.
I agree with him, the path to presidency is not a walk in the park for Harris.
One thing I noticed in his system is when he says
"U.S progressed Sun and Moon are currently conjunct in late Pisces." . Understand at the Aries Point which is where Harris has her natal MO/MC and SU/MC midpoints. And also where Neptune and Poseidon are currently transiting = misinformation.
Talking about misinformation, in the last few years, about 30% of posts on Facebook are now recommendation algorithms. On Instagram, it's more than 50%. And the new model is Tik Tok which labels itself as an entertainment platform by favoring short videos selected by algorithms. Platforms where advertising, robots and AI coexist, relegating human relationships to the background. False and true is destroyed. Fake images generated by AI, followed by faked accounts who only need clickbait from human followers to increase their revenues. And worse, the new trend 'ragebait', which differs slightly in that it aims to arouse anger rather than curiosity to attrack clicks.
It's about time that governments around the world start to legislate against web giants.

Incidentall,y, the Australian astrologer Julija Simas who was on the same astro panel with Bill Meridian questioned Uranian astrology's use of 8 objects which all seem to be male!

Lol
Yes, Julija is right. But don't forget the new dwarf planet like Eris. If you are in for a good fight, invite her and pray that you still have your head on your shoulders at the end of the evening

Ouranos

Ouranos wrote:

"U.S progressed Sun and Moon are currently conjunct in late Pisces." . Understand at the Aries Point which is where Harris has her natal MO/MC and SU/MC midpoints. And also where Neptune and Poseidon are currently transiting = misinformation.''

Why? You go off into a wider discussion about your social media concerns after this but never explain what you are challenging astrologically.

Incidentally, Michael R Svehla seems to use the Scorpio rising chart for the US ie 2.21pm on 4th July 1776.

Ouranos wrote:

Yes, Julija is right. But don't forget the new dwarf planet like Eris. If you are in for a good fight, invite her and pray that you still have your head on your shoulders at the end of the evening

You also have bodies like Ceres, Juno , Pallas Athena, Vesta to choose from too as well as the Trans Neptunian dwarf planet Humea.

Thanks

Mark

Mark,

Why? You go off into a wider discussion about your social media concerns after this but never explain what you are challenging astrologically.

Incidentally, Michael R Svehla seems to use the Scorpio rising chart for the US ie 2.21pm on 4th July 1776.

I am not challenging what Svehla says. But if he says that that the U.S SU/MO midpoint has reached the Aries Point then, I am pointing out that this point is now being hit by the combination of NE and PO... And the midpoint SU/MO of Harris.
The Rulebook says of NE/PO Misrepresentation of facts, faked facts, false ideas, the wrong worldview.
And
NE/PO = SU The person who works for the destruction of existing doctrine.
NE/PO = MO The person who is under the influence of erroneous beliefs.
Svehla identifies this midpoint but he never works with the Aries Point signification being hit by Neptune and Poseidon.

Note: Facebook has SA/NE = AR in its chart among other midpoints. And soon, the next SA/NE conjunction is in the landscape. It is no longer a social media, it is an advertising company creating false images and fake profiles to create a 'clickbait'. That's their bread and butter. The more clicks, the more money they make. And it is increasing with suggested content that a user is not subscribed.
Look at this picture below. It is an old couple created by AI that does not exist in reality. They would have been together for more than 80 years and in the past months, it has generated a lot of followers (or clicks!) on Facebook. And faked accounts, generated by AI, are following them... simply to attract real human beings and generate revenues for Facebook with the ads that they place on their account!

mark - thanks for your thoughtful response!!

ouranos - i remember talking about AI here a few years ago saying some very negative things about it too.. glad you now see how it is a double edged sword! what planet do you most associate with AI?? or is it a composite of a few planets?? i see it as an extension of technology and i mostly think of technology is uranus, but maybe that is not very accurate on my part... technology is indeed turning our reality upside down...

ouranos - i remember talking about AI here a few years ago saying some very negative things about it too.. glad you now see how it is a double edged sword! what planet do you most associate with AI?? or is it a composite of a few planets?? i see it as an extension of technology and i mostly think of technology is uranus, but maybe that is not very accurate on my part... technology is indeed turning our reality upside down...

Well James, technology can be a lot of things like Uranus as you point out but also Apollon (science) or Neptune (oceoanography).
Poseidon is about culture, education, deep learning, belief system and worldview. All these things are being challenged globally with Poseidon.

A family with a father, a mother and 5 children. Each child will view their parents in a different way because it is lived internally.
In 1947, when Charles Elwood Yeager broke the sound barrier for the first time, something unheard of than a simple explosion sound happened.
"At one thousand two hundred and twenty-four kilometers per hour, a shock wave first made the plane vibrate, then I heard, coming from I don't know where, and for about a minute, an extraordinarily moving music" Whistling what he had heard, he had heard the first movement of the Concerto for two violins in A minor, opus 3 number 8 by Vivaldi.
And we know that this phenomenon has been repeated for other pilots but with different composers. From Bach to Stevie Wonder, to Mozart, Rameau, Dizzy Gillespie, Oscar Peterson, Michel Legrand or Gershwin. While some see it as a deafening noise, others live an extra-sensory experience. Who is telling the truth? All these pilots. Because they are talking about their inner experience. What astrology can describe. It is a living reality. Sometimes, it has an external expression but most important is how the experience is lived.
And sometimes, we, as astrologers are engaging in discussion whether it is Vivaldi or Bach that is heard beyond the sound barrier while we fail to describe the inner experience.
Last time, Poseidon was at the Aries Point (0 Libra) was some 90 years ago during the Great Depression.