AstroNovice wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:59 am The issue of whether or not solar returns can be relocated is something that has been vexing me for a few days now, and after many hours of thinking about it, I think I have finally realized why logically, solar returns cannot be relocated. Here is my theory, feedback is welcome

Solar transits are something that cannot be understood in isolation, solar transits occur in tandem with the simultaneous shifting of the angles and also the movements of the other planets in the sky, thus a solar transit does not occur in isolation, although its easy to lend ourselves to this kind of thinking when we are only contemplating the motion of the sun itself. So when you think about it this way, our natal chart is really just a snapshot of a continuous ongoing cycle of the simulaneous movement of the planets and the angles in the sky as seen from where we were born. Furthermore, this cycle of shifting angles and moving planets is in continuous motion before, during and after we are born, and gradually after about 365 days this continuous motion of shifting angles and moving planets will lead to the appearance of our next solar return and so on so forth. So basically, for example, the solar return chart for our 2nd birthday derives directly from the natal chart (technically our "1st solar return") and the journey (as seen in the sky) towards our 2nd solar return chart begins immediately after we are born. Thus when you look at it this way, you can begin to appreciate the cyclical nature of the solar return and understand why relocating it doesnt make any sense. When we are born in a particular location, we become cosmically "bonded" to that place and are "locked into" the cycle of the moving angles and the planets as understood from that location. Thus this is why the idea of relocating solar returns isn't actually very logical because it completely disrupts this cycle. That being said, why couldn't relocating to another location for our solar return just disrupt this cycle? Because, as I said before, at birth we are locked into a particular astrological cycle that is contingent upon where we were born, it is intrinsically part of us and is ongoing. It is not possible for us to break out of the particular cycle that we were born into any more than it is possible for us to change our natal chart. It only makes sense to relocate a solar return if you are only considering the motion of the sun itself returning to its natal location while at the same time ignoring the larger overall continuous cycle that the movement of the sun is part of.

Georgius wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:10 pm What I take from Aleksei’s linked article is that relocation did not work in this one case. SR on birth location said there will be a conception, SR calculated for the place where the woman was at the very time of the SR said, no there will not, and she got pregnant. So this is in fact no proof but one case that also for short time changings of place the Solar return chart for the place of birth is the right one and no other.