The Democrats are seen as an elitist party which jars with the equalitarian qualities of Aquarius and that is their problem unless they change tack dramatically. Speaking as someone with 5 planets in AQ all opposite Uranus our hearts may be in the hippiedom dreamed of by the Rick Levines - and Rob Hand's - of the World but there's a cynical more realistic side to Aquarius which tends to burst a few bubbles when reality finally dawns and the commune needs to be cleared up.

stargeezer wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:46 am Benjamin Franklin, early tech bro?

NO he wasn’t but elon musk represents pluto in Aquarius in the bad sense of x which is a destructive right ring toxic thing trying to to destroy democracy as I said in this very first post on thread He’s tech bro appoints L by USA elect president
But imo personal opinion musk and trump will both crash and burn

And I think the hippy vibes of Aquarius which some dismiss eill return one way or another asap
Cos you know cruel capitalism as had its day thank you for listening

EmmaA123 wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:31 pm

stargeezer wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:46 am Benjamin Franklin, early tech bro?

NO he wasn’t but elon musk represents pluto in Aquarius in the bad sense of x which is a destructive right ring toxic thing trying to to destroy democracy as I said in this very first post on thread He’s tech bro appoints L by USA elect president
But imo personal opinion musk and trump will both crash and burn

And I think the hippy vibes of Aquarius which some dismiss eill return one way or another asap
Cos you know cruel capitalism as had its day thank you for listening

Hi EmmaA123,

The remark wasn't intended seriously. Fidibus had just said that the last time Pluto was in Aquarius was during the American Revolution (N.B.: I haven't verified this), so I thought, who was around then doing 18th-century tech? and Benjamin Franklin came to mind. Checking out astrodatabank, I saw that one of the two charts there has a very prominent Pluto conj the MC (not in Aquarius, though). Hence the kidding remark.

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stargeezer wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 4:41 am

EmmaA123 wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:31 pm

stargeezer wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:46 am Benjamin Franklin, early tech bro?

NO he wasn’t but elon musk represents pluto in Aquarius in the bad sense of x which is a destructive right ring toxic thing trying to to destroy democracy as I said in this very first post on thread He’s tech bro appoints L by USA elect president
But imo personal opinion musk and trump will both crash and burn

And I think the hippy vibes of Aquarius which some dismiss eill return one way or another asap
Cos you know cruel capitalism as had its day thank you for listening

Hi EmmaA123,

The remark wasn't intended seriously. Fidibus had just said that the last time Pluto was in Aquarius was during the American Revolution (N.B.: I haven't verified this), so I thought, who was around then doing 18th-century tech? and Benjamin Franklin came to mind. Checking out astrodatabank, I saw that one of the two charts there has a very prominent Pluto conj the MC (not in Aquarius, though). Hence the kidding remark.

I’m so sorry stargeezer
I didn’t mean to have a go at anyone
Just to say that in my little mind Aquarius is the internet and all it entails and Pluto is power which belongs to you know who the tech bros at the moment musk sucker man bezos and others and how they’ve all capitulated for money and power , Aquarius is sad about that I guess
But who knows how Pluto in Aquarius will play out
We got a couple hundred years after all
NO need to panic (though I’m wary of AI is actually in these kind of hands going to destroy every bit of privacy if they get the chance not to mention far right nazi style energies getting some stronghold in the world )
And memorable major events don’t always take place on ingress
But the ingress starts the narrative I guess (this can change)
Sorry was a bit drunk and perhaps little angry (sorry) at myself or not posting clearly enough in the first place … I guess when I posted (never do this ) but spirit of the message was same ie wanted to know what possibly could Pluto in Aquarius point us to because Aquarius is a very strong sign (supposed to be power of the people) as is Pluto the planet thigh that one is up for grabs it seems by whoever can grab it
Anyway I’m rambling now so shall say goodnight till next time
Peace
Best thing to do is keep grounded and learn to think for yourself in challenging times
Sorry my post is a bit of a soup
That’s my Neptune in 3rd I guess I’ll blame lol
Not sure this is the right forum for me as it’s too professional so that’s why I don’t post much but had to answe
X

EmmaA123 wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:33 pm I’m so sorry stargeezer
I didn’t mean to have a go at anyone
Just to say that in my little mind Aquarius is the internet and all it entails and Pluto is power which belongs to you know who the tech bros at the moment musk sucker man bezos and others and how they’ve all capitulated for money and power , Aquarius is sad about that I guess
But who knows how Pluto in Aquarius will play out
We got a couple hundred years after all
NO need to panic (though I’m wary of AI is actually in these kind of hands going to destroy every bit of privacy if they get the chance not to mention far right nazi style energies getting some stronghold in the world )
And memorable major events don’t always take place on ingress
But the ingress starts the narrative I guess (this can change)
Sorry was a bit drunk and perhaps little angry (sorry) at myself or not posting clearly enough in the first place … I guess when I posted (never do this ) but spirit of the message was same ie wanted to know what possibly could Pluto in Aquarius point us to because Aquarius is a very strong sign (supposed to be power of the people) as is Pluto the planet thigh that one is up for grabs it seems by whoever can grab it
Anyway I’m rambling now so shall say goodnight till next time
Peace
Best thing to do is keep grounded and learn to think for yourself in challenging times
Sorry my post is a bit of a soup
That’s my Neptune in 3rd I guess I’ll blame lol
Not sure this is the right forum for me as it’s too professional so that’s why I don’t post much but had to answe
X

It's quite alright, EmmaA123, no need to apologize. I didn't feel you were "taking a go" at me at all, just (understandably) upset. We'll have to muddle along and do the best we can under the circumstances. Remember: this too shall pass.

--stargeezer

P.S. I realize this sounds like a bunch of clichés, but clichés can be useful sometimes.

emma and stargeezer

i have enjoyed this conversation and think conversations like this are worthwhile for all involved.. i personally encourage it!!

on this topic, i see i and others did comment earlier..

i sometimes think of the relationships between the zodiac signs and the dynamic between aquarius and scorpio in particular... scorpio is the 10th sign/house to aquarius... it seems to me that a type of pluto like power is represented by scorpio.. i would associate this with how the facade of democracy is really covering up the actual power base for who calls the shots, and for lack of a better way of framing it, money is a huge factor... when an election is dependent on huge donations, such as what just happened in the usa election, it is clear that we have more of a plutocracy then a democracy, no matter whether it is in the usa or canada where i live...

where does the power reside?? the banking system for 1

pluto is a funny planet which can symbolize power and the absence of power too... it also goes with the idea of manipulation very well... perhaps pluto doesn't fit very well with the sign aquarius for these reasons and more.... is it okay having a guy who paid 200 mil to get a seat in the usa gov't - musk? it's an interesting conversation either way for those astrologers who do feel pluto is a relevant astrological symbol to consider.. i think this is another reason some astrologers view all these outer planets as malefic in nature..

james_m wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:46 am on this topic, i see i and others did comment earlier..

i sometimes think of the relationships between the zodiac signs and the dynamic between aquarius and scorpio in particular... scorpio is the 10th sign/house to aquarius... it seems to me that a type of pluto like power is represented by scorpio.. i would associate this with how the facade of democracy is really covering up the actual power base for who calls the shots, and for lack of a better way of framing it, money is a huge factor... when an election is dependent on huge donations, such as what just happened in the usa election, it is clear that we have more of a plutocracy then a democracy, no matter whether it is in the usa or canada where i live...

where does the power reside?? the banking system for 1

pluto is a funny planet which can symbolize power and the absence of power too... it also goes with the idea of manipulation very well... perhaps pluto doesn't fit very well with the sign aquarius for these reasons and more.... is it okay having a guy who paid 200 mil to get a seat in the usa gov't - musk? it's an interesting conversation either way for those astrologers who do feel pluto is a relevant astrological symbol to consider.. i think this is another reason some astrologers view all these outer planets as malefic in nature..

Hi James: I decided to put on my tropical zodiac hat and make some comments to this topic.

Your and others’ ideas on the Scorpio-Aquarius dynamic are compelling and highlight some fascinating themes. The relationship between these signs, with Scorpio as the 10th house from Aquarius, suggests a narrative of power structures, influence, and societal authority. The 10th house is traditionally linked to governance, career, and public position, areas deeply tied to concepts of power and responsibility. Scorpio’s association with Pluto evokes themes of hidden control, transformation, and manipulation, as you pointed out. The idea of ​​democracy as a front for plutocracy is a poignant observation, especially given the role of money in modern politics. Pluto’s symbolism resonates with systems that operate beneath the surface: banking, corporate influence, and the complex web of financial power you referenced.

Aquarius, on the other hand, represents collective ideals, innovation, and visions of equality and progress. This creates an inherent tension between the “hidden power” of Scorpio and the “open progressivism” of Aquarius. When Pluto transits Aquarius (as it has recently begun), we may see a clash or reconciliation between these forces—systemic power versus revolutionary ideals. Your point about Pluto symbolizing both power and the lack of power is crucial. Pluto’s lessons often manifest in cycles of transformation, dominance, and surrender, revealing how systems can corrupt and transform themselves. In Aquarius, Pluto’s shadow could manifest in the manipulation of collective ideals or the misuse of technology for control, as some have already argued. However, it also offers the potential for profound transformation, pushing us to confront and reform these structures.

The example of figures like Elon Musk, who use financial power to exert influence, illustrates this Plutonian dynamic. It raises crucial ethical questions: Does true power reside in the people (an Aquarian ideal) or in those who hold immense resources (a Plutonian reality)?

Your observation that the outer planets are seen as malefics fits their role as catalysts for profound, often uncomfortable, change. Pluto, Uranus, and Neptune challenge us to evolve, often dismantling what no longer serves us. This may seem destructive, but it is part of their transformative nature.

The tension between Scorpio and Aquarius reflects larger societal struggles: the consolidation of power versus the fight for equitable progress. Pluto in Aquarius invites us to confront these dynamics, seeking ways to balance power with transparency, innovation, and fairness. While astrology provides a symbolic framework for exploring these ideas, the real-world implications (banking systems, elections, and economic disparities) are equally relevant. It is a rich area for deeper thinking, both astrologically and socially.

Pluto in Aquarius putting social issues to one side. then it is already in action, Aquarius rules electricity & therefore magnetism & the next step is it rules the earths magnetic field. Pluto is power,So what powers the Earths magnetic field what keeps it fixed but the north & south poles which have been dislodged & are meandering over the earth surface, This has created a rift in the earths protection via its magnetic field. This being the reason the Northern Lights are showing up further & further south in UK/ France/ Poland & other countries. The Sun is in its detriment in Aquarius. & as Pluto transits Aquarius the Suns charged particles will penetrate more & more . Expect the electrical system to die
Power failures happening everywhere,I will leave it there let your imagination take it forward. There has been much said about the three days of darkness I think it may happen when Pluto is at 25 degrees of Aquarius.

Pluto Aquarius is ideological polarization. Anyone who is not for me is my enemy.