We have to sell our beautiful family home, since our mum died last Autumn. She was profoundly attached to it - as am I, but it is in need of repairs we can't afford.

I've been looking at the waxing libra moon around April 11th at 8.00 am (BST) to put the house on the market. This puts Jupiter on the ascendent and most of the planets in the top half of the chart (except Mars) and there's a couple of kites and a mystic rectangle. I think it looks kind of good. Although the applying mars / pluto opposition on the angles (MC/IC) is rather alarming, my main concern is this is the last day of venus retrograde...

We either wait for the retro to end, and go with the waning moon, or go for that last day of venus retro whilst the moon is waxing to full.

I wondered if anyone would mind offering their thoughts on this specifically? If it's nearing the end of the retrograde phase, is it "less bad"?


Thanks for looking - I hope this is within the remit.

Glad to be here and learn from this very interesting forum.

Hello,

As house rulerships are very important for selling things for profit, I find whole sign difficult to analyze.

I would say overall the chart isn't bad but it appears to favor the buyer. Typically, you want the Moon to separate from benefics and apply to malefics to benefit the seller. Here the Moon applies to a benefic, which is also the buyer (Jupiter). "It is best to sell when the Moon is in Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or Pisces, free from affliction, separating from the fortunes and applying to the aspect (not conjunction) of the infortunes.": https://www.skyscript.co.uk/wealthelect.html

The house value would be 4th, the price 10th. Is the Moon actually in the 4th? Because, if so I would wonder if the value will fluctuate, even more so since the dispositor is retro.

Since the 10th represents the price, a retro planet here often shows a change in price. I use event charts frequently for stock purchases (I do day trading sometimes) and I can tell you it is pretty accurate at predicting a downtrend. I don't buy stocks when there is a retro planet in the 10th or lording it because I can get it cheaper if I wait (traditionally it suggests a price will fall). If you sell quickly, this might not be a problem, but I would just make sure you research well and don't get taken advantage of. I honestly don't think Venus is in the 10th though, but again I can't read this chart in whole sign and don't find it works for predictive astrology. It is better for natal because many people don't have accurate birth times.

Having a buyer in the ascendant and the Moon applying to it might help sell a house that is difficult to sell, I would just worry that the buyer will be good at getting a better deal than you. Also, obviously, contracts aren't the best when Mercury is bad off.

I'm curious why you included many unnecessary influences but not the PoF?

hi - and thanks for your reply.

This is all very interesting. Thanks for the link - it's not one I had come across. And yes - good points - all of them....I had no idea the moon should be waning in these circumstances. I guess that would resonate with the letting go.

the stellium in the original post is in house 11.

to answer your q about the minor asteroids - it's because I'm an amateur. Thanks for pointing it out. And yes - whole houses are a new one for me - I have edited the attachment on the original post.

Thanks again

Hello again,

I just wanted to post this chart with the ascendent reversed, to see what difference it might make...

the main concern with this version is that capricorn is on the 2nd house cusp...but I am wondering if this might be mitigated by the dispositer of saturn being jupiter ie the ascendent's ruler...& since jupiter is now in the seventh, would this reverse the predicament outlined in your previous message quoted below)

(ps - also I realised that the moon is in applying aspect to jupiter..which flouts the other guidelines you mentioned, but it is "the seller" ie jupiter so therefore maybe once again it may benefit us...

I wondered what you - or anyone else - thought. hope to hear some advice if anyone's is inclined.

appreciatively.


"I would say overall the chart isn't bad but it appears to favor the buyer. Typically, you want the Moon to separate from benefics and apply to malefics to benefit the seller. Here the Moon applies to a benefic, which is also the buyer (Jupiter). "

Hello,

I noticed earlier I explained the first chart poorly when I called Jupiter the buyer (and Venus retro was in the 11th but the chart is chopped - 10th lord conjunct a retro planet probably isn't much better either way). It is the seller as the 7th lord but being in the 1st still seemed to favor the buyer. This chart still doesn't seem great to me and is similar to the 1st chart. I don't like to make the 10th lord retro (the price will fall) and the Moon applying to a benefic in a sign of a benefic doesn't seem ideal for the seller.

Is it not possible to sell on April 10th? This would be a Virgo Moon, more preferable for selling. If you try the midday chart it places the exalted Sun in the 10th house of the price/profit while making it lord the radical 2nd house of finances and also makes the Moon separate from a benefic (Jupiter) and apply to malefic influences. It also places Mars in the 1st house of the buyer, so they get the worse deal. I would keep Neptune away from the MC though. If you time it right, you can also get Jupiter in the 11th house of gains.

Maybe play around with the Virgo Moon? No chart will be perfect, keep that in mind.

Hopefully, others might also give some words of wisdom. Selling a house is a stressful thing! Best of luck. Make sure to check your own natal implications as well for profit.

Next time can you please show the entire chart (not chopping up the angles)? We need to see the signs and degrees on the house cusps.

Tanit is giving you great advice. I don't have much to add except to stress the importance, first and foremost, of choosing a time that connects well with your own nativity. Otherwise the election will not 'be radical' - in other words, without considering how all this relates to your own horoscope, you are choosing a good time 'at large' but not necessarily a good time for you.
Try, if you can, to find a planet that is well placed in your own chart and indicative of increase/benefit/gain - and make that planet emphasised in your election, by making it strongly placed (angular, for example) and receving good transit connections.
Good luck with it

Thanks to you both for your responses.

I will have a closer look at April 10...I did wonder about that libra moon approaching via combusta...! (so many rules...!)

I had it from other sources that the first house would be us - the sellers...also the chart is for the act of officially instructing our estate agent . I wonder who to go with! It would be great if we could all benefit (ie seller and buyer...)..!

No sale has yet been agreed. Once again, I will try to assimilate all this new info and thanks again for your insights.

(+ next time I'll post the whole chart!)

I had it from other sources that the first house would be us - the sellers...

Election charts are not like horary. You do not always get the 1st house and the things that show gain do not always mean gain. For example, were you to plan when to lose weight, you would not choose a Moon increasing in light and applying to a benefic, because you want to be rid of something. You do not want to gain weight, you want to lose it. Being a seller is different than being a buyer. You are planning to get rid of something. Your role within the event also matters. Were you to give an interview for a candidate, you are not the 1st house. Were you a woman marrying a man, you are not the 1st house. Just as so with a seller. Your role is the 7th house. There are typically other people involved in an event, even when you choose it for yourself.

There are a number of traditional authors one would look to, which Deb nicely summarizes in that link I shared earlier. One example is Dorotheus:

“The Ascendant indicates the one buying, and the seventh the one selling, and the tenth indicates the price, and the house of fathers {4th} indicates the the commodity which you are selling or buying. And look in these places in the manner which I described to you about the matter of the Moon in the first approach: for wherever the fortunes or infortunes occur or look at it, it introduces harm and benefit to that matter which is attributed to that stake.” (Dorotheus, Book V, Ch. 10, Dykes trans., 2017, p. 242)

“If you wanted to sell something or buy [it], then look at the position of the Moon: for the star which the Moon is connecting with indicates the buyer and the price, the star which the Moon flows away from indicates the seller, and the Moon indicates the commodity which is sold or bought.” (Dorotheus, Book V, Ch. 10, Dykes trans., 2017, p. 241)

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I would also note that Dorotheus says that the waxing Moon is best for selling because it indicates the price, and a full Moon would be the highest price. A waning Moon would be a falling price or lower price. Maybe you selected a full Moon because of this but there are still other things to consider. A full Moon can be tricky in election charts. IMO, it would be better to focus on a waxing Moon in a better sign that allows for the right aspects you would be looking for.

ok

so,

I went with the cancer rising - as advised. I managed to sign the contract just before the ascendent went into leo...so it's the anaretic degree... I know it's supposed to be avoided but I could not sign it sooner as I was delayed...! It does have a certain resonance with the situation, but interested to see how it might effect a potential buyer. Also that mars is in the 12th...but it will avoid the MC rolling over the pisces stellium with its neptune and saturn and venus retro...

The MC is now 2 degrees Aries... which makes the fourth house cusp in Libra - concerning due to the Venus retro, but also has relevance in terms of the need for renovation - ie if the fourth house is the house itself.

There's some good mutual reception between Jupiter in Gemini and Mercury in Pisces, and the fact the dispositer of the pisces stellium is Jupiter in the "house of gains" (11th - as advised - thank you!). The ninth I guess will be good for advertising, but cadent - might that mitigate the fourth house ruler being retro in there...? The Moon is now in the 3rd - not domicile, but again - hopefully good for communications..

I will let you know how it all pans out...hopefully everyone will be happy after the mars square pluto has worked itself through....bit scared of that being on the angle, but again it has certain relevance - clearing out the past etc. Also mum was a 0 degree Aquarius so there's that.

If this one is no good I can try again when the house goes live...I feel like I've learned alot, so thank you once again for taking the time to respond.

full chart below.

(ps - The chart against mine - just in case it's of interest to anyone - Pisces stellium lands in my fourth, Uranus is conjunct my seventh house jupiter, and transiting Jupiter going through my eighth...

my sag stellium lands in the fifth house of the electional, and my scorpio rising in the fourth...)

Good luck with everything! The planets are tricky right now so no combo is perfect. It seems to have the primary type of elements you would want though: Moon in Virgo good for selling, increasing in light good for price, Moon leaving a benefic and applying to a malefic, good for the seller, strong price with Sun exalted in the 10th (financial house lord too) and should be great for someone with a Sag stellium, Jupiter in the 11th, PoF in sign of the 7th house lord (seller), there is also a trine between Mars on the ascendant and the 7th lord and also Mercury. Mercury being direct now is good too. Pluto in the 7th seems like it would favor power in your court but I don't usually look much at the outer planets, since they are more mundane. Mars debilitated on the ascendant impacts the buyer first and foremost. I don't like to put it on angles either though, tbh. Sometimes it does speed things up though.

I actually had great progress with something that was taking 3 years to get finished around this time on Thurs and I am like you and strong in fire - 5 planets in fire signs. It is also a financial issue (dealing with student loan forgiveness - they owe me money for 28 over-payments).

I don't want to take responsibility for anything though and hope you choose/chose what you think works best and with your own chart.

yes - don't worry - I won't come chasing you with virtual pitchforks if it all goes awry..

just reading a few blogs mentioning the volatile and overly emotional nature of the last degree cancer, and if that's the buyer, it could go in our favour.

But really, i only signed it on the 10th - I didn't email it til the next day (no scanner access - library closed)....and they won't get their post til Monday, so yeah - I don't know to what extent one can fix on the moment - there's so many stages to selling a house it's hard to know which to focus on.

I wish you the best of luck with the SLC - they are unrelenting b******s in my experience. Hope you can charm the money back your way!

I am still confused about the house placements ie if the first house represents the buyer, then why does the 11th house (of gains) indicate the gains of the seller not the buyer? That is irking me! I will take a closer look at the links you sent. Thanks again!