Thanks Jennvt,

I skimmed through the posts and wasn't sure so thought I'd ask.

My thoughts are that the Moon, Netpune, Venus t-square are the 'crux' of this issue (in my view). The Moon and Venus are loosely in opposition but suggest that there is a internal dynamic of competing influences of women being EITHER erotic OR caregivers. THe problem here might well be that the erotic aspect quickly becomes an "I need a surrogate mammy" tendancy and so there may well be a neediness and projection of the 'glamour' of the magical mother onto all potential relationships which of course is not real and has been heavily 'airbrusehd' in his own head so that his views of his own mother may well be over exaggerated or lit with soft lighting in his memory. There is likely to be a 'not a bad word said' kind of quality to him with his mother and he will be setting that unrealistic bar for other women to achieve. Of course, nobody can, in fact nobody is meant to because if they do then maybe magic mammy isn't that special after all. This is likely to not be terribly conscious, Venus is, after all, in the 12th. Interestingly the 6th 12th axis is picked up here and there may be some psychosomatic 'problems' or illnesses that may result from this, perhaps with the heart or blood, perhaps blood sugar with venus involved. I'm not a doctor so won't speculate too much more than that.
Neptune adds this layer of illusion around it and here it touches the two primary planets which deal with motherhood and in psychological terms I wonder about some sort of vague oedipus-like complex. There may also be a need to be the daddy that his mother never had but in this manner he may well behave just like his own father who by his own account was not responisible. In other words he looks for a strong super woman to take care of him because he's looking for that unattainable childlike quality of 'perfection' that small kids bestow upon their mothers, but which, hopefully, adults grow out of.
I don't mean this to sound pathological or anything, I'm sure it's all very subtle and not *that* big a deal, I'm over emphasising it to make sense of it.

Paul,

That T-square jumped off the chart at me as well.

I don't think you are using too broad a brush, actually, you brought a dynamic to mind: The eldest sibling - a seriously Alpha female.

The women he gets involved with are all Alpha and the usual complaint is they are too like this eldest sister, whom, he both admires and criticises, as irrational and angry. He fears this sister's wrath more than his father, who is perceived as ineffectual. This sister's took over what (traditionally) should have been his role (he is eldest male in large family) as the big (oedipal) challenger of father, to defend the mother and take the father's irresponsibility to task.

This is interesting to me regarding that Neptune in the 3rd as the apex of this T-Square.

Also: Mars 2nd / Saturn 8th opposition possibly speaks to ineffectual masculinity *symbolic castration?* what is also interesting is the use of fire in the chart with the Saturn in Aries/Venus in Leo both being symbolically submerged (hidden) houses.

Hi, everyone, haven't been around much lately so, before i start, I just want to say that I hope you've been fine and that I've missed you!

I was going through the threads that have been opened over the past couple of months and this chart attracted my attention; Virgo rising, Aquarius Moon, Cancerian Sun and Jupiter in Leo....it sounds like me! I can really relate to this chart! I believe that the exact age of the person has not been mentioned but, with his Saturn in Aries, this "middle aged" man is obviously much older than me! Also, he is a male which significantly changes the symbolical value of the Moon. But regardless of all that, i think that i can actually recognise a part of the problem based on my own experiences.
Personally, i don't think that the general promise is that dark but, to me, it is very obvious that one huge part of the problem is rooted in his own temperament and behaviour. Which should be good- those would be the walls that he can actually break down with a little effort should someone simply give him a good input.
The "moistness" that PFN has rightly pointed out is, indeed, very important in this case, imho. It presents him as a "soft" soul and a person constantly in search for love and warmth- a chase or even an urge that often turns periods of solitude and disappointments into even greater horrors than they often really are. It usually becomes more of a dramatic "why always me?" than a constructive "why didn't it work?" question (bad luck! part) and, besides dark clouds, it also often brings about longer periods or episodes of a complete non-constructiveness. And self-pity is a common attitude among cancerian people. In his case, even the ruler of the Ascendant is placed inside Cancer which only makes him a more "always looking for the right one" type of person. he wants warmth!
Now, since it is obvious that a woman will not fall into his lap very easily , it is important to make him understand that some things he can and has got to "change" (improve, work on...) in order to improve his communicational skills with women in particular. Besides aversions and T-squares other members have already mentioned (and those obviously decrease the potential for good communication in long lasting relationships), we also have a retrograde Mercury (inability to express himself in the right way) and, with that planet being his ascendant ruler placed in a moist sign, he may be indecisive and often trapped in past failures for just a bit too long. Retrograde Mercury in a mute sign is obviously a very paradoxical situation- despite his apparent Virgo nature, he can actually find himself lost in communication and unable to express himself properly.
Mercury squaring Mars (Mercury= natural ruler of communications; Mars= ruler of the 3rd), is yet another testimony of what has already been mentioned. He might need to work on his flexibility: whilst some people intentionally or not, sometimes hurt us with their words (and he obviously is prone to such situations), we do need to know the measure when it comes to being insulted. Sometimes it sounds worse than it is. Sometimes, on the other hand, we an sound harsh without knowing it. Quarrels and fights that eventually "gain" more weight than they should, could be a problem here.

Another very important thing here is the distribution of male and female planets in signs: his Sun is in a very feminine, emotional sign, in aversion to his own rulership whilst his Mars is in his detriment and ruled by Venus. His two masculine planets are ruled by feminine ones. on the other side, we have the Moon in Aquarius and Venus inside Leo- very masculine if you ask me! Now, whilst this disposition of the Sun over Venus might actually be good for him (although Venus is ill placed inside the 12th), it seems to me that he might be lacking a bit of a real masculine energy. Or, on the other hand, he might need to come to terms with this "upside down" system and accept it the way it is. because, generally, speaking, the aspects between the male and female planets in this chart are quite good!
The Moon is a freelancer (aquarius) and on a critical degree strongly indicating instability and movement which might mean that some of his women have literally drifted away after a while. The application of the Moon to the Sun across the sign boundary may also be saying that there often is a an obstacle that prevents the "growth" of his relationships (also, i prefer this Moon inside Aquarius as, only one degree later, it would actually be in the detriment of his ascendant ruler). But, the good news is- the planets are actually applying into a trine. Secondly, we have a sextile between Mars and Venus (I don't have the exact time and so I can't really tell if the planets are applying or separating but, whichever of the two, the orb is still very tight and the planets can communicate).
Fixed ruler of the 7th also supports the possibility of a long lasting relationship eventually. With its placement in the Eastern quarter of Heaven and a trine to Saturn, we might have an indication of a significant age difference.
What adds much weight to this chart is the influence of the cadent and dark houses: not only are both feminine planets invisible from the ascendant but they're both actually cadent. I'm aware of the kind of problems this could lead to since I myslf have the Lord of the 1st and the Lord of 7th inside the 12th only, in my case, the two rulers are partile conjunct.
Besides cadency, the influence of the 6th and 12th must be making things difficult. The contact of the Lord of the 7th with Saturn, the ruler of the 5th, inside the 8th house is certainly of no help here. But, fortunately, even this aspect is of a benevolent nature.
I would suggest the person to make a thorough analysis of the roles in his relationships, of his own masculinity and approach to women and of his genuine wishes. The 6th and 12th might actually be saying that it is the trouble or a troubled place that hides the woman he might want to stay with for a long time. Jupiter suggests friends and help from friends.

The two heavy outer planets near his ascendant would probably inspire modern astrologers to give him suggestions on how to adjust his attitude towards other people (women included).

Cheers!

I didn't read every one's post so I apologize if I repeat here. My first question is this an accurate time of birth? Just a slight difference in time could move his Uranus(Pluto too of course) back to conjuncting his ASC, which in turn would oppose his DEC making long-term relationships rather difficult. Regardless, Uranus in the 1st indicates someone who likes their freedom. What's more, he has Moon in Aquarius another freedom loving sign and Mars in Libra a very analytical sign. Pluto in the 1st can make one intense, so maybe the combination of deep down wanting his freedom and be Rather an intense makes for short relationships. BTW, I understand if he is saying he wants to be married, etc, but to me this chart is saying that traditional is not really what he wants deep down inside. I say he should come to terms with his own need for freedom and stop looking for traditional and maybe things will workout longer term for him.

Hi All,
From what I see, the seventh lord in the twelfth "evil spirit" is a very simple indication of struggles in relationships. Perhaps this would be alleviated if Jupiter could aspect the Sun since there would be reception by exaltation, but the planets cannot see eachother traditionally, modernly there is an applying semisextile. And then we also have Venus in the twelfth, the exalted lord of the Piscean seventh--so two basic signatures of chronic unhappiness in love through life. Add to that we have Moon in a separating opposition (barely still in aspect) to Venus which would augment the negative placement.

Just my brief thoughts.

I can understand why this man cannot 'bond' and maintain a long term r/ship Saturn in 8th - he is terrified of an intimate r/ship.Maybe to the point of self sabotage?

Hs 12th house Venus carries a 'cloistered' energy - he can't come out to play. Venus opposing Aquarian Moon 6th House - it began with Mother? He feels he is not 'good enough' or is undeserving?

The personal planets are all on the Western side of the chart - he can't consider anyone else - very caught up with himself - it's all about him!

Julie K

Some brief notes concerning the romantic aspects of this chart:

- The lord of the 5th house is Saturn in his fall in the 8th house. Saturn does not behold the ASC, but he beholds the lord of the ASC by square.
- The lord of the 7th house is Jupiter peregrine very close to the cusp of the 12th, not beholding the ASC or its ruler.
-Venus, the natural significator of love and co-ruler of the 7th house (she shares five points with Jupiter), is peregrine in the 12th house and beholds neither the ASC nor its ruler.

In other words, nada...

With the ASC ruler in the 11th house and Pluto and Uranus in the 1st, we have someone who is very idealistic, very independent and very self-centered. The Moon in Aquarius, albeit in the last degree of the sign, confirms that he approaches things from an airy distance. The lord of the 5th house (romantic affairs, sex, etc.) in his fall in the 8th house rather hurts and is also a possible indication that this person lacks "grounding" and patience. It seems to me that he is never happy with anyone, because he cannot find someone to reflect his idea of who he is. Maybe if he could forget himself a little and open up to the other person, things would change for the better.

Addendum: since there is no connection between the significators of love and relationships with the ASC ruler, we would look at positive connections/aspects between the significators of romance and marriage to other planets to use as a remedial measures or as a handle to propel the native forward. There is a nice sextile aspect between Venus and Mars, and also a trine between Jupiter and Saturn. Unfortunately, the trine is out of unfortunate houses, so any potential for good will be limited. And so is the sextile (Mars is also debilitated).

Addendum2: I also checked the Part of Marriage (ASC+Venus-Saturn), which happens to fall in Capricorn, disposited by Saturn in the 8th and opposite the ASC ruler.

All,

I married a man who has some similarities to the chart presented for the lonely single man. Nothing pleased this man and he had Venus just under his Asc. - very lazy in most aspects and insular. Social anxiety was very apparent now I look back and he self medicated with alcohol - he found life very difficult much of the time.

I feel for the lonely single man indeed - he needs help.

Julie K

OK ! this has gone on for a while now and now it is my turn to annoy

The solution to pollution is in "Venus" - it is Slowing down to go retrograde in August of that year and its speed is less than that of sun .(peregrine and 12th have already been mentioned).I think at one point of time it was Deb who was looking carefully at planetary speeds but I guess, that was more for horary.

2nd is just pure ambition or hope of marrying someone really important- 7th lord- expansive,optimistic Jupiter is in sign- exaltation reception with - guess who- Royal Sun.

Third, in a male chart the applications of Moon show the contacts of that person (?Robson) his Moon is at 29 deg and most relations are thus - past or not long lasting.

There is no planet in 7th to take over that role- except Chiron- the wounded healer- he probably gets into a relationship just not to offend.



PD

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