Decumbiture chart

kali

Decumbiture chart

1 by kali

My sister went into the hospital yesterday and I took that time to cast a chart. Would this be considered a decumbiture chart? I understand they are usually cast for when you first lay down because of an illness but we do not have that time and it seems choosing to go to hospital is the same idea.

Thank you

2 by Paul

You could certainly use it as a decumbiture chart. Normally people try to use the time when the person first becomes sick, or else when they first become so sick that they need to take to their bed. So I think the time that they need to go to the hospital is probably also symbolically important.

kali

3 by kali

Just found the article 'An Introduction to Decumbiture' here at Skyscript. The sense that the time has to be very precise makes me feel unsure using this type of chart.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/decumbiture1.html

aglaya

4 by aglaya

You have another option - to use the time when the person receives the results of the medical tests ie the time of the diagnosis. I would certainly use it if I had no other time.

Geoffrey

5 by Geoffrey

aglaya wrote:You have another option - to use the time when the person receives the results of the medical tests ie the time of the diagnosis.

Do you have a reference for that?

nahid.fs

6 by nahid.fs

I have an Arabic post explains the way of drowing it , I would to put it here:
In the medical astrology there's what is known ' Crisis Chart' and it has an other name 'Decumbiture' , this is what the Arabic school doctrines

How do you drow it ?
1: Drow the horary chart of the ill
2: Now, prepare the 'Crisis chart' and drow it upon the first chart
3: Look where the Moon is, then make the cyrcle two parts and make the Moon in the middle of the cyrcle , then drow a line passing the point of the Moon to the other side
4: Take 90 deg. From the previous line , then drow an other line to part the cyrcle also to two parts . Now, you have 4 equal parts, every part 90 deg.
5: Drow lines from every 45 deg to part the cyrcle to 8 equal parts
6: Now, you have octagon form

Now, you can interpretate the question

aglaya

7 by aglaya

Geoffrey wrote:
aglaya wrote:You have another option - to use the time when the person receives the results of the medical tests ie the time of the diagnosis.
Do you have a reference for that?

Hi, Geoffrey!

No, actually, I don't think I do. Not literature - wise, anyway. I could say that the only reference is my common sense.

I have actually had success delineating charts cast for the moment when the person was first introduced to her illness.

The word ?decumbiture?has its roots in the Latin word ?decumbo? which literally means ?to lie or to fall down?. So, if we want to follow the rules of decumbiture very strictly, the only valid time for a decumbiture chart (apart from the option of asking a question, of course), would be the time of the first symptoms. And, that, unfortunately, we usually don't have.Unless the person collapses or experiences a string pain and goes to the ER immediately, we are often left with dates or even less precise time stamps such as "early April" or "just after Christmas" which are useless in this branch of Astrology. All this calls for additional tools.

In addition - the majority of scriptures that we use are written in middle ages

and they don't prepare the astrologers to react in situations that we face nowadays. Chicken pocks used to kill people back then. Now, they don't any more. In addition, female infertility is not treated any more with marigold flowers and rosemary.

Most importantly, people don't just fall in bed any more. Thanks to the expansion of modern medicine, we have a wonderful thing called "prevention" and, often, people find out that they have the early stage of an illness long before the symptoms become obvious. Actually, before they even start developing the symptoms. Women have regular mammograms once in every two years, they get a diagnosis, they undergo a treatment and they're healthy again before their next mammogram. They don't fall in bed, they don't seek help, they often feel as if everything is ok with them. The moment when they find out about their illness is when they receive a phone call and get a treatment plan; no pain, no bleeding, no bed. This part is basically what makes me thinks that the time of a diagnosis is a valid time for a decumbiture chart. It does not include falling in bed but, that said - Lilly and his contemporaries would have loved the system of prevention and early diagnostics, I'm sure.

So, if we deviate from the word-to-word meaning but decide to keep in mind the true meaning of the "decumbiture" and that is - when the person develops a sickness(e) - then the moment when the person finds out that he is ill, technically qualifies it as a good time for a decumbiture chart. Because, let's face it - nowadays, when someone falls in bed, we usually assume that he is entering into the terminal phase of an illness.

Like I said, we always have the option of casting a chart for the time of the question however, I would always compare it to the time when the illness first became "known to the querent" - one way or the other.

Cheers,

aglaya