I totally agree with everything you say. I think it is necessary to keep expectations restrained because of this, but if this approach brings better than average results over time, then I I'm sure I could learn a lot from it. I don't know if its a good thing or not to be ignorant of horse's previous record, but I imagine this is where group discussion could get very helpful.

Generally, I'd concentrate on the first 4 horses in the market. This is where most of the winners come from - odds range from 2/1 up to 6/1.

On a Saturday, you can increase your selection to anything priced up to 10/1.
I would still stick to the top 4 or 5 horses by odds.

The market is so accurate these days.

My wife and I (she is the gambler and also an astrologer!) have been following races over the last few months and have observed some of the following as to why the obvious ?astrological pick? does not win.

Sometimes the energy of the moment triggers some other significator, for example when the Moon or Venus is strong a female jockey wins, or the only mare in the race does. We?ve even seen a day when the Moon was particularly dignified and a female trainer won most of the races at a meeting.

A planet rising or culminating can also indicate the jockey?s silks colours but again not always. Jupiter has been rising and the winner is in purple. But invariably there are a couple of other jockeys also in purple- so which one to pick?!

We?ve found it fascinating to try and work out why the astrological energy of the moment triggers in the above ways rather than the horse?s name.

The planetary hour just changing at a race time also seems to intensify the planet concerned.

Anyone following the form of trainers, jockeys etc., will also know that they can have a lucky run which leads to having the birth data for breeders, trainers, jockeys or even founding dates for stables. These kind of runs do seem to trump other factors sometimes.

Deb- a round robin certainly sounds worth trying, we normally do each ways and each way doubles!

John and June

Singles are each way singles are the most profitable bet over time - i personally don't back anything each way unless the odds are greater than 5/1. There are some multiple bets that are worth considering - here's a few bets that are worth taking a look at.

Combination Tricast - 3 selections in the same race to finish in any order - 6 bets @ ?1 costs ?6. Although not a 'multiple bet', it's a good one if you can't pick between 3 horses in the race.

Patent - 7 bets - 3 singles, 3 doubles, 1 treble )all in different races). ?1 patent = ?7

Tote place pot - select 1 or more form each race at a meeting to finish in the places = the dividends can be very high with long priced horses finishing the in places.

Lucky Fifteen - 4 selections 15 bets (each way 30 bets). 4 singles, 6doubles, 4 trebles, 1 acca. ?1 lucky fifteen = ?15 (?30 e/w)


Goliath - 8 selections, 247 bets (494 each way bets) - 28 doubles, 56 trebles, 70 four folds,56 five folds, 28 six folds, 8 seven folds, 1 Acca - ?1 = ?247 (10p Goliath - ?24.70)

Last week Deb experimented with looking at the race transits to the natal chart of each horse. I think she looked only at races where there were strong patterns in the race chart and where a horse was strongly highlighted by the transits.

If anyone wishes to try this on Saturday, the main meetings are at Kempton Park and at Doncaster.

I would suggest only looking at races with less than about 10 runners otherwise it can become a long job

Last week, Saturnhead made a very sensible point, which I agree with, about avoiding outsiders:
Generally, I'd concentrate on the first 4 horses in the market. This is where most of the winners come from - odds range from 2/1 up to 6/1.

However today (Friday) there was a winner at 100/1 in the 5:45 at Wolverhampton. Perhaps the indicators were strong enough to overcome even those odds. The natal close Jupiter-Uranus conjunction straddled the race Desc, and the race Venus closely squared the natal Sun (conjunct natal Moon if the 3am time is correct). Sometimes, outsiders are worth a (e/w) bet!

If anyone wishes to try this on Saturday, the main meetings are at Kempton Park and at Doncaster.

Who do you fancy, GB?

Using my method here are the planets lighting up the charts:-

Doncaster

13:25 - Sun
14:00 - Sun
14:35 - Sun
15:10 - Saturn
15:45 - Venus
16:20 - Sun & Mars (Sun is stronger)
16:50 - Venus
17:25 - Saturn

Kempton

13:45 - Mars & Saturn (Saturn is only a touch stronger)
14:15 - Sun
14:50 - Moon, Mars & Saturn (Saturn is strongest)
15:25 - Mars & Saturn (Saturn is strongest)
16:00 - Mercury
16:35 - Mars, Venus & Saturn (Venus is strongest)
17:10 - Sun, Venus & Saturn (Venus is strongest)

On Saturday I was too busy with other things to follow-up on the racing. Instead, I looked at all today's (Sunday's) races at Ascot and two races at Doncaster. These were the races with less than 10 runners - just to keep the work load within bounds.

I only made forecasts and placed bets if there was a clear link between the horse's birth chart and the race chart. If there was nothing obvious I ignored that race. Note, I did not use the indications in the race chart of the horse's name or the colours. In some races where I lost, the race chart did indicate the name of the horse, but in some cases where I won I could not see the name of the winner in the chart. The point was to explore how the natal chart performed on its own - too many explanatory factors would only confuse things at this stage.

Over the day I bet ?19 and had a total return of ?41, so I doubled my money. I lost more often than I won, but the winners were at 8/1, 14/1 (backed each way) and a favourite at 2/1 (with a Rule 4 deduction).

The most interesting result was in the 3.55 at Doncaster (where I lost ), the horses that came first and second both had the same birthdate, so there may be something in this use of the birth chart, even though we don't have an exact birth time.

I also noticed that if one of the race angles was conjunct an important natal planet it was very powerful, but aspects from the angles to natal planets are much weaker, particularly weak are the trine and sextile.

Finally, Sun conjunct Sun (the race on or close to the birthday) is also a powerful indicator of success.

I need to do more analysis on using the birth chart, but it seems worth following-up.

Sorry - I wasn't able to look at any of these races, and next weekend I go away until mid April. Fully intend to come back to this thread in a few weeks and be able to contribute more. Will look forward to chatting up with any new posts that get published in the meantime.

I hope everyone backed Hail The Hero at 11/4 in the 2:15 at Doncaster yesterday.

5th cusp inconjunct Mars 10 applying to conjoin the MC.

Mars/MC inconjunct 5th cusp occurs in two races today:

14.20 Warwick and 14.30 Chepstow

Mars/MC inconjunct 5th cusp occurs in two races today:

14.20 Warwick and 14.30 Chepstow

Nice one John.

14:20 Warwick - 1st Rathealy - 12/1 Rathe adjective - growing, blooming, or ripening early in the year or season. Spell checker want's to correct the word to 'Wrathfully'.
2nd Saffron Prince - 14/1

14.30 Chepstow - 1st The Eaglehaslanded- 4/5 red-hot favourite in a very fiery chart - antiscia of Mars conjunct Regulus and Mars angular, the IC suggesting something just about to land in the water from the air - exactly the sort of thing a Sea Eagle would do, and besides, Mars-type birds normally win anyway.

The Warrior won the 14:40 at Curragh yesterday 11/4.