Therese Hamilton wrote:

I've been checking a few of the links posted on the USA Election Prediction topic. To support the premise that there may be election result changes between the election date and inauguration date, a prediction by an Indian astrologer is relevant. Mark has this man's prediction for a Biden win on his list, but KT astrologer didn't exactly predict his win without qualifications.

Hi Therese,

Your quite right that his prediction is more nuanced than the binary placement in my list suggests. I just wanted to get all the predictions I could find up first this week. It is a lot of work just putting the basic list together. I am planning to put notes on some like this one that have caveats. His prediction was that Trump loses if the result is normal. But if the result is excessively delayed Trump's chances significantly increase.

A repeat of the down to the wire controversial 2000 election is a possibility. Another extremely rare but quite dark scenario would be if neither candidate actually got the minimum number of Electoral College votes to win (270). What happens then? The decision then passes to House of Representatives. You might think that would favour the Democrats as they are better represented in the House of Representatives. But the reality is it would probably help Trump more than Biden.

As is outlined in the 12th Amendment to the Constitution, if both candidates fail to reach 270 electoral votes, the election goes to Congress. The newly-elected House of Representatives selects the president from the three individuals who received the most Electoral votes. This means that a third party candidate could technically be an option if they were able to win a state. Each state delegation gets only one vote in the House contest, So it’s not as if all 435 members are voting individually. Instead, the whole state delegation gets a single vote for president. So even though the Democrats have more seats in the House this will not count for much. With each state only getting 1 vote this favors the Republicans as there are more GOP states.
So this scenario (which hasn't happened since the disputed election of 1876) would likely be good for Donald Trump unless there is some sort of Republican revolt against the nominee. Can you just imagine how the public might respond if Biden got say 5 million more votes than Trump and an equal number of electoral college votes but the House votes for Trump? Lets hope this scenario doesn't play out at such a politically polarised period in American history.

Several astrologers have commented that the inauguration chart looks toxic with Pluto on the MC. The Moon depending on your definition is either VOC or applying to a square of the Sun (POTUS), and Saturn and going on to conjunct that Mars-Uranus conjunction. This could include serious social disruption and agitation. Suggestions have included death of the winning candidate before inauguration, assassination, or a highly controversial election result even more disputed than 2000. Many think that if Trump manages to get re-elected with far less of the popular vote angry voters will take to the streets in protest.

Other interpretations include a worsening second wave of Covid-19. Another possibility is a major economic downturn of almost unparalleled scale. This could threaten the status of the US dollar as fiat world currency. China and Russia already announced last week they were reducing their reliance on the US dollar. If US bonds become devalued on the global markets the value of the US dollar could plummet forcing a major re-adjustment away from the US Dollar as the global fiat currency. A position the US Dollar has had since the Breton-Woods Agreement of 1944. And in modern terms since the Nixon shock of 1971 when the US Dollar became the fiat global currency detached from the gold standard in free floating currency exchange markets.

https://www.fxstreet.com/news/china-and ... 2008070252

Mark

James-M wrote:

amy - i know her website, but an unable to find a post where she discusses her views on predicting elections.. if you see it - please share.. thanks..

James check out my list. I also include astrologers who just comment on the election without making a specific prediction further down.

That includes Marjorie Orr. She has written pieces on Biden and Trump

Mark

thanks mark,

i didn't look at any 2021 inauguration chart.... is it a fixed date and time for that? i thought it fluctuated some? give me the data and i will post the chart and comment.. thanks..

Hello James,

All US Presidential inaugurations since 1937 have been held on the 20th of January every 4 years. The only exception is when that date falls on a Sunday.

Sorry, I assumed you had already studied the inauguration chart for your prediction. As I said in my comments above since this chart is so graphic it has already generated considerable astrological debate on how it will play out.

I covered most of the major theories put out above including a few of my own.

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Mark, though we've had our disagreements on Skyscript, your latest post on what can happen in U.S. elections is an important summary of possibilities. It's good that anyone making predictions for U.S. elections be familiar with the protocol following a less than clear outcome on election day.

Your quite right that his prediction is more nuanced than the binary placement in my list suggests. I just wanted to get all the predictions I could find up first this week. It is a lot of work just putting the basic list together.

Yes, it's indeed impressive how may predictions have been posted on the U.S. election site. Due to health issues I haven't really looked at the astrology for the election date, but I'm not liking that the inaugural enneads and quarti-enneads (10 day charts) seem to favor Trump over Biden and Harris.

I think the transit of Mars and Uranus in the same degree (only 4 minutes apart!) in sidereal Aries, and both having risen above the ascendant and conjoining the Moon in the inaugural chart means that we aren't likely to see an inaugural without controversy.

It's important how these planets interact with candidate charts between the election and inaugural dates. They are transiting in Ketu's star (mansion), so the placement of Ketu in candidate charts can be an important election key. Then there is the five planet stellium in sidereal Capricorn (four planets in tropical Aquarius) conjunct the MC in the inaugural chart. It certainly is a dramatic chart.

Here is the Sidereal (Krishnamurti ayanamsa) Inauguration Chart:

thanks mark and therese,

which is more important? the day a person gets cancer, or the day they die from it?? this fixed january 20th date might be important, but for the election win - the nov 3rd date is much more important... inauguration takes on a different meaning..

i was aware of the date, but have noticed it is not always 12 noon... that was what i was referring to... oh well! thanks for the precision charts in both zodiacs...

therese, i am sorry you are not healthy enough to give a prediction..

all the planets in the chart are held within a trine of venus- uranus in fire or earth depending on your zodiac... the midpoints via cosmobiology are all fairly challenging as i see it... the sun-moon square is besieged by pluto- saturn.. saturn is 45 neptune... neptune is 90 the nodal axis... it would seem to me the covid is going to be around still based on all this and it will play into the dynamics of all this.. moon applies to the 5th house ruler sun using sidereal... that seems mildly positive, except the saturn lording it over the whole chart in hard aspect to moon, mars and uranus seems rather harsh looking... law and order to prevent the complete breakdown of the empire?? i imagine that is what will be sold... mars certainly looks even more rebellious in the conjunction to uranus here! and it is ruling over the ascendant and 8th and rather strong! and it is the malefic that is of the opposite sect to the chart... all those CHAZ zones, and etc. etc. seem to remind me of this..

there are certainly some interesting cross over aspects between the 2 candidates charts and this inauguration chart which i won't articulate here... interesting times!

James_M wrote:

which is more important? the day a person gets cancer, or the day they die from it?? this fixed january 20th date might be important, but for the election win - the nov 3rd date is much more important... inauguration takes on a different meaning..

The election date is clearly very important but I dont entirely concur with you.

Noel Tyl once argued there were three key dates in increasing importance regarding charting US elections:

1 The date of the actual election. Polls open 00.00 hours Final polls close in Alaska about 1am on the 4th. The media call the election after 2am. Although it will usually be evident well before then who has won unless we are in an election like 2000.

2 The date the Electoral College meets. This formally decides who is going to be President or if the result is inconclusive it goes to the House (an exceptionally rare event). This next Electoral College meeting is on January 6th 2021

3 The inauguration date. This is like a modern secular coronation ceremony taking place in the the most powerful nation on earth. Crucially, only one of the potential candidates will be there!

I do think a lot of challengers can sometimes have great transits/progressions up to election day. Former Democratic challenger John Kerry was a good example of this in the 2004 race. This may fade out by inauguration day. John Frawley used to argue that for many people this is the most famous globally they will ever become. So it makes sense their charts are shinning. But this doesn't mean they will necessarily win. Equally an incumbent doesn't need a fantastic set of transits/progressions to retain power. The momentum of status quo for the existing POTUS is often decisive unless something disastrous is happening to the country. Jimmy Carter's reputation was ruined by the Iran hostage crisis and the failed recuue bid. George Bush senior was hit by a double whammy of a recession + a strongly performing third candidate who eroded the right of centre vote (Ross Perot). Looking at US history an incumbent President has an inherent advantage. Historically, 72% of all incumbent Presidents win re-election. It remains to be seen whether the US handling of Covid-19 and the economic downturn will finish off Donald Trump.

One additional factor is a candidate having a strong chart. One thing western and Vedic astrologers seem united on is that like him or not Trump has a strong nativity giving him an almost teflon like invulnerability that means he seems to be able to survive things that would destroy other politicians. He is actually very well tapped into both the US (1776) and POTUS chart (1789) and the chart for Washington DC.

Looking at inauguration date if Trump is playing golf that day rather than taking the Presidential oath you would expect that to show in his chart. So I think the inauguration transits may be even more decisive as only one candidate is having a dramatic day then.

Mark

James wrote:

Therese, I am sorry you are not healthy enough to give a prediction..

Thank you, James. Mental concentration has been difficult sometimes, not to mention the necessary energy if I have to try to figure something out. I might run a test of the Khullar/KP technique on the sidereal forum. Not so much a personal prediction as to see how this technique works out for the inauguration as to who has the strongest "victory" chart. This would be an experiment as my studies of the technique were interrupted by illness, and I can't call myself an expert. The nakshatras/lunar mansions are very important for Krishnamurti/Khullar methods as timing is based on the mansions of planets rather than zodiac signs.

I don't think anyone here in the States expects the election to inaugural period to run smoothly without controversy. There has been a lot of talk about possible changes between the election date and inauguration, even a suggestion of change in the election date itself. One Indian astrologer based in Los Angeles is holding off on a final presidential prediction until late October. Gromeet Singh is listed on the Biden victory list on Mark's U.S. Prediction site, but he basically says that Donald Trump's astrology is poor for the time period of the election. Here is what he writes:

This is just an early Vedic Astrology assessment of 2020 Presidential Election. We will see whether Donald Trump succeeds in postponing the Presidential Election due to coronavirus. The final astrology prediction will be given in last week of October 2020. You will see astrology updates from me in the coming months...

Please Note: If the 2020 Presidential Election is postponed to some future date due to coronavirus, then there will be a new astrology prediction. That is why I am waiting until last week of October 2020 to give the final astrology prediction on 2020 Presidential Election.

Gurmeet Singh
April 1, 2020
http://www.vedicnakshatras.com/donald-t ... ology.html

Therese Hamilton wrote:

One Indian astrologer based in Los Angeles is holding off on a final presidential prediction until late October. Gromeet Singh is listed on the Biden victory list on Mark's U.S. Prediction site, but he basically says that Donald Trump's astrology is poor for the time period of the election.

I chatted personally to Gurmeet Singh just a couple of days ago and he seems very confident Trump will lose so my decision to currently place him in the Joe Biden win category is correct. However, if he subsequently, decides to step back from that position I will naturally review his position in my list.

Mark

Therese wrote:

Thank you, James. Mental concentration has been difficult sometimes, not to mention the necessary energy if I have to try to figure something out. I might run a test of the Khullar/KP technique on the sidereal forum. Not so much a personal prediction as to see how this technique works out for the inauguration as to who has the strongest "victory" chart. This would be an experiment as my studies of the technique were interrupted by illness, and I can't call myself an expert. The nakshatras/lunar mansions are very important for Krishnamurti/Khullar methods as timing is based on the mansions of planets rather than zodiac signs.

Like James I am very sorry to hear you are not fuctioning too well at present Therese. I do hope this condition eases for you soon. Even if you dont have the energy to issue a full prediction I, and I am sure others here too, would be fascinated to hear more of this Khullar/KP victory method you mention. As this involves the 27 Nakshatras I assume this is fundamentally different from the Shad bala method described by Parashara in his Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra or methods of assessing the 'victor' from Perso-Arabic/Tajika astrology involving zodiac signs?

Mark

Donald Trump will win.


Used :

1 - Sidereal zodiac, Krishnamurti Ayanamsa, Mean Node
2 - Harmonic 64 and 256
3 - Transits, Secondary Progression, Solar Return and Secondary Progressed Lunar Phase.
4 - Secondary Progression : 1 sidereal day = 1 sidereal year


I am showing another way here, perhaps the best way to determine who will be the next president of USA. Whether this is the case, time will show us. We take the swearing-in ceremony as the time we want to examine.

First planetary picture : Mercury/Kronos = Jupiter
According to the Hamburger School of Astrology , the swearing-in is Mercury/Kronos = Jupiter (Rules for The planet Pictures page 232 - German Edition)

We investigate :
a) whether the progressed and returns planets ME,JU and KR form harmonic with each other and/or with the radix ME,JU and KR.
b) if so, how accurate they are ?
c) are there other negative planets in these formation of the planet pictures ?

We will look at which candidate has this planet picture on 20.01.2021 at 12:00 noon.

Note : So that we can find the opposition and square positions, the values 0° 42' 11'' and/or 0° 21' 05'' were either subtracted or added, because the whole circle we use in harmonic 256 is 1° 24' 22''. For harmonic 64 we subtract/add 1° 24' 22'' and/or 2° 48' 45''.

The orb in harmonic-256 we use is 30''.


Donald Trump
14 Jun 1946 10:54:00 +04:00:00 Jamaica, New York USA 73w48'22 40n41'29

Event : The swearing-in
20 Januar 2021 12:00 pm Washington,DC


Solar Return (Harmonic 256)

Solar ME/JU = r ME/KR

Solar ME/JU = 0° 11' 38''
r ME/KR = 1° 15' 21'' - (0° 42' 11'' + 0° 21' 05'') = 0° 12' 05''
The difference is 27''.


Secondary Progression (Harmonic 256)

p JU/KR = r ME

p JU/KR = 0° 57' 53''
r ME = 1° 18' 52'' - 0° 21' 05'' = 0° 57' 47''
The difference is 06''.


p JU = r ME/KR

p JU = 0° 11' 31''
r ME/KR = 1° 15' 21'' - (0° 42' 11'' + 0° 21' 05'') = 0° 12' 05''
The difference is 34''


p KR = r ME/JU

p KR = 0° 19' 53''
r ME/ JU = 0° 40' 48'' - 0° 21' 05'' = 0° 19' 43''
The difference is 10''


Secondary progressed lunar phase (Harmonic 256)

30 Nov 2019 AD GC 01:30:24 EST +05:00:00 New Moon Washington,DC

p KR = r ME/JU

p KR = 0° 19' 58''
r ME/JU = 1° 23' 31'' - (0° 42' 11'' + 0° 21' 05'') = 0° 20' 15''
The difference is 17''.




Joe Biden
20 November 1942 at 08:30 (= 08:30 AM )Scranton, Pennsylvania, 41n25, 75w40

Solar Return (Harmonic 256)

Solar JU/KR = Solar ME

Solar JU/KR = 0° 17' 25''
Solar ME = 0° 17' 08''

The difference is 17''.


Secondary Progression (Harmonic 256)

p JU/KR = p MO/SA = r ME/KR = r NE

p JU/KR = 0° 41' 57''
r ME/KR = 1° 24' 09'' - 0° 42' 11'' = 0° 41' 58''
The difference is 01''.

Even if the planet picture is exact, I see no chance for Biden because of the MO/SA = NE involved.

Secondary progressed lunar phase (Harmonic 256)
22 Jul 2019 AD GC 10:17:44 EDT +04:00:00 New Moon

p JU = p ME/ KR

p JU = 1° 10' 50''
p ME/KR = 0° 28' 14'' + 0° 42' 11'' = 1° 10' 25''
The difference is 25''.



Second planetary picture : Mercury = Saturn/Node
(This planetary picture is from me.)

We can define the swearing-in : To bind oneself (Saturn/Node) with his/her statement (Mercury). That's why we're looking for Mercury = Saturn/Node connections.

Donald Trump

Secondary Converse Progression (Harmonic 256)

p MN/KR = p ME/SA = p SU/KR

p SA = p ME/MN

(In Joe Bidens secondary converse there are no ME,SA and KR connections.)


Transit (Harmonic 64)

t SA/MN = t ME = t JU/KR = r SU

t SA/MN = 3° 39' 54''
r SU = 0° 50' 37'' + 2° 48' 45'' = 3° 39' 22''
The difference is 32''.

t MN = t SU/ME = r ME/SA = r SU/KR
t SU = r SA/MN = r KR
t ME/MN = r ME

Solar Return (Harmonic 256)

Solar SA/MN = Solar ME/SA = Solar MN/KR = r ME/SA = r ME/MN

Solar SA/MN = 1° 03' 11'' - 0° 21' 05'' = 0° 42' 06''
Solar ME/SA = 0° 00' 47'' + 0° 42' 11'' = 0° 42' 58''
Solar MN/KR = 1° 24' 07'' - 0° 42' 11'' = 0° 41' 56''
r ME/SA = 0° 21' 18'' + 0° 21' 05'' = 0° 42' 23''
r ME/MN = 0° 42' 02''

Joe Biden

Transit (Harmonic 64)

t SA/MN = t ME = t JU/KR = r SU

t SA/MN = 3° 41' 37''
r SU = 0° 50' 37'' + 2° 48' 45'' = 3° 39' 22''
The difference is 2' 15'' .

Joe Biden doesn't have the other planetary pictures that Donald Trump has that I showed above.


Solar Return (Harmonic 256)

Solar ME/MN = r ME/SA

Solar SA/MN = -
Solar ME/SA = -
Solar ME = -
Solar MN = -
Solar ME/MN = 1° 13' 19''
r ME/SA = 1° 12' 59''



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