King Charles III-Accession and Coronation 1 by Mark The new King has been formally proclaimed monarch at a historic Accession Council at a ceremony televised for the first time in history. The proceedings began at 10.00am BST (UT=1 hour). Charles automatically became King following the death of his mother, Queen Elizabeth II, but his role has been officially confirmed this morning. A ceremony was carried out by the Accession Council - attended by Privy Counsellors - at St James' Palace. Members cheered "God Save the King" during a sombre ceremony attended by Prince William and the Queen Consort Camilla, as well as the Archbishop of Canterbury and former prime ministers. The new Prince of Wales signed the proclamation, with Camilla, Prime Minister Liz Truss and Justin Welby also signing the document. Proceedings then moved to the Throne Room, where King Charles III paid tribute to his "beloved mother" - describing the "irreparable loss we've all suffered". "My mother gave an example of lifelong love and of selfless service," he said."My mother's reign was unequalled in its duration, dedication and devotion. "Even as we grieve, we give thanks for this most faithful life." The King signed the oath he declared in front of the Privy Council during the short ceremony which lasted about 40 minutes. I have posted the chart for the start of the ceremony at 10.00am. Note the ASC on the fixed star Spica. Chart just after a full New Moon in Pisces The Proclamation ceremony MC is conjunct the King's ASC in Leo Tr Jupiter Rx trine his ASC Tr Venus conjunct the King's Saturn. Venus is the 10th house rulerbof Charles chart (Whole sign). Its a good imagery for him assuming the responsibility Kingship in front of the world. Following this there was a short public proclamation ceremony. A Principal Proclamation was read in public by the Garter King of Arms from the balcony overlooking Friary Court at St James' Palace starting at 11am BST and finishing at 11.04am BST with a statement of 'God Save the King'' and the national anthem. Its hard to miss the SN on the ASC. Although it should be noted Queen Elizabeth II had had the SN conjunct her ASC. The public proclamation MC conjunct Pluto is the thing that immediately strikes me. It will be followed by a flurry of Proclamations around the country, with the second one at City of London at the Royal Exchange at noon, and further Proclamations in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales at noon tomorrow. Last edited by Mark on Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:31 am, edited 15 times in total. As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:12 am
2 by pankajdubey That SN in ascendant is very mischievous. He is in the Firdar of SN too. Quote Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:16 am
3 by amandaW Here are the exact timings from BBC live. All times BST 10.00 Privy council gathers 10.03 Penny Mordaunt formally announces death 10.04 proclamation to Privy council 10.07 Signing 10.16 councilors leave gallery for throne room 10.20 Throne room 10.24 Charles speaks 10.30 King Charles signs oath 10.40 council over 11.00 Proclamation read to public 11.04 3 cheers for the King Last edited by amandaW on Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:45 am, edited 1 time in total. "The universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper" Eden Phillpotts Quote Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:31 am
4 by amandaW A few comments on the UK 1801 Chart during the process. Obviously the most notable thing is the full moon at almost exactly 11am BST trine Uranus. In the UK chart this is square the natal Mercury and quincunx the progressed Sun. Transiting Mercury has just turned retrograde within a degree of the UK Ascendant At 10AM BST the transiting MC was at 2 degrees Leo. the UK1801 Jupiter is at 1 degree Leo (sextile Uranus and Quincunx Pluto) and the UK progressed NN at 2 degrees Aries by 10.15 Transiting MC is trine transiting Jupiter by 10.20 transiting MC is trine the UK Ascendant at 10.24 when Charles speaks the transiting MC is trine the transiting Mercury 10.40 transiting MC is conjunct UK progressed Mercury for the public proclamation at 11.00 not only is there a full moon but the transiting MC is by then conjunct the UK progressed Sun at 17 Leo. It is extraordinary, even if the times were elected the Universe doesn't often provide such neat timing! "The universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper" Eden Phillpotts Quote Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:44 am
5 by Mark Amanda W wrote Here are the exact timings from BBC live. All times BST Thank you for all that Amanda! I am still inclined use the chart for the start of the ceremony but also look at signing of the oath. The public proclamation chart looks more troubling to me. Nodes on the angles is not a good sign for stability. Deborah Houlding teaches that in electional astrology. Also that chart MC on his Pluto. Although you could interpret that as him accessing power officially. The coronation chart will be more critical though. Elizabeth II coronation chart (which I will post up) graphically reflected significant events in her reign including her death. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:00 pm
6 by james_m thanks for the valuable astro info here mark, and amandaw... mark i am curious why you say this - "I am still inclined use the chart for the start of the ceremony but also look at signing of the oath." don't have to answer, but i am curious either way... cheers james Quote Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:16 pm
7 by Mark James wrote: mark i am curious why you say this - "I am still inclined use the chart for the start of the ceremony but also look at signing of the oath." don't have to answer, but i am curious either way... cheers james Hi James, Its a personal thing I dont expect others to accept. I did a lot of research on the Queen's coronation a while back. I decided the critical part of the ceremony was when she took an oath before God to devote herself to her people in the role of Queen. I think that goes a long way to to explaining the mindset of Queen Elizabeth. So rather than timing for when the coronation began I feel that was a critical moment. Rather like in a wedding, rather than time it from when the couple enter the Church, I would look at when the vows to each other are taken, the rings are exchanged and the Minister pronounces the couple man and wife. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:41 pm
8 by james_m thanks mark.. that is a good response and speaks to how we all have to process in our own way in all of this.. it also speaks to the subjective nature of what we do with astrology and how much it might reflect our own world, more then the world of others... i guess i am going philosophical here... thanks for a thoughtful response from you here... james Quote Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:53 pm
9 by Mark James wrote: Thanks mark.. That is a good response and speaks to how we all have to process in our own way in all of this.. it also speaks to the subjective nature of what we do with astrology and how much it might reflect our own world, more then the world of others... i guess i am going philosophical here... thanks for a thoughtful response from you here... james Yes I concur with that. I don’t think there is anything wrong with raising a philosophical issue here! You have actually raised a very interesting issue. I think I may open a thread or discuss this elsewhere in an article. In a nutshell I believe all astrology is rooted in our individual consciousness and our approach to it is necessarily selective and subjective. However, that is not a view a lot of technique driven mundane astrologers will accept! Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:14 am
10 by amandaW They've announced the Coronation date. Saturday 6 May. No times yet edited- read wrong month of ephemerides Last edited by amandaW on Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:02 pm, edited 1 time in total. "The universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper" Eden Phillpotts Quote Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:24 pm
11 by janegca Hi Mark ... interesting discussion Its a personal thing I dont expect others to accept. I did a lot of research on the Queen's coronation a while back. I decided the critical part of the ceremony was when she took an oath before God to devote herself to her people in the role of Queen. I'm not sure that it is a purely "personal thing"; the swearing in during the coronation is the formal presentation, to the world, of the new monarch. Believe it is similar to conception (he became a nascent King on the Queen's death) and birth (a fully formed King at the time of the coronation);however, as you mention the Accession Council swearing in is a completely new ceremony, never seen before, it may well override the coronation ceremony as it appears to have the same intent, make him formally the King. Might be interesting to watch both charts using the oath times as the "birth time" and see which is more descriptive of his reign. Quote Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:07 pm
12 by Ouranos I concur with King Charles signing oath. If we look at the opening set for 10am, it would describe how the ceremony will go. Blessings! Quote Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:30 pm