UPDATE: The chart has been updated now that a birth certificate time has come to light, as discovered by Steven Stuckey (for information on that, see Mark's post here).
Although the data appears to be reliably sourced - we should all treat this a little speculatively until it has been authorised and its Rooden rating has been established.
If we can treat this as reliable info, we can see now just closely Vance's chart synchs with Trump's! It seems like Trump felt he needed just a little more Mars
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I've added JD Vance's natal chart to the collection of US politicians at https://www.skyscript.co.uk/mm.html#usa
(Click the names to view the charts - left click will fix/unfix any chart to the lower left screen; right click will fix/unfix any chart to the lower right, so you can easily compare any two charts on that page together | still not sure how it works? See the explanation here

This is a noon chart only - if better details come to light I'll update the chart. The biwheel below shows that Vance brings some Venus to Trump's fiery Mars, but the strongest point of contact is the exact alignment of Vance's Sun (partile square Saturn in Scorpio) with Trump's Pluto in Leo - in the fixed signs, this looks like a set up for hardline policies (or maybe they will have awkward power-struggles with each other)?

Deb wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:56 am The biwheel below shows that Vance brings some Venus to Trump's fiery Mars, but the strongest point of contact is the exact alignment of Vance's Sun (partile square Saturn in Scorpio) with Trump's Pluto in Leo - in the fixed signs, this looks like a set up for hardline policies (or maybe they will have awkward power-struggles with each other)?

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Vance as VP would make Peter Theil the actual president (behind the scenes) and I think that's part of what that Sun-Pluto conj. represents.

It's a dangerous game Donald's playing being involved with people like Thiel, but there's immense wealth and power backing it, so how's a guy like him to resist?

Hi Jason,
Thank you for providing some background information. As an outsider, I can’t quite understand the ins and outs of things.
The world is becoming more and more interesting.
I know I shouldn't be laughing in the face of such a serious matter, but this is a bitter laugh.

deb

thanks for bringing up jd vance chart and synastry to trump..

i read hillbilly effigy around the time it came out... it's the american dream story - rags to riches - which still seems to captivate some and in sync with the concept that anyone can be whoever they want with a lot of hard work and elbow grease..... they don't mention the part about being completely subservient to those in power who will help you ascend the capitalist ladder.. they leave that chapter out.... as jason says - he is probably a front for peter theil, heritage foundation, project 2025 and all the rest of it... those american 'oligarchs' don't appear much different from the russian or ukrainian ones, lol..

that is an interesting tie in to trumps chart - vance sun-saturn square on trumps pluto.. this ''conservative'' has the bonafied credentials thanks saturns presence... he sounds like he has the narrow minded credentials of a strong sun-saturn square too based on what i am reading about what he advocates for.. while venus in the area of trumps mars would suggest a softening of the martial energy of trump, it is emphasized again with vance mars - square trumps mars... its a funny thing how a person can jump thru any number of worldly hoops and still not have the independence of mind, or be capable of seeing how they are used by the same system they want to climb to the top of.. and yet, he does have a sun-uranus trine - similar to trumps sun-uranus conjunction with vances uranus also trining trumps pluto..

there mercurys work together well... vance jupiter opp trumps mercury is also positive, until one sees how vance jupiter also squares trumps neptune.. vance is an interesting choice for trump as a running mate.. i suspect the momentum of this recent assassination attempt on trump will help trump in the short term and it may carry right into the election too - sympathy vote and who knows what else, but not living in the usa, i remain baffled regardless..

Without a birth time, I immediately go to the fixed star conjunctions to get an idea of what we are really looking with at Vance.

Antares Conjunct Uranus: Abnormal and extreme ideas, hypocritical, lies and exaggerates, extremely socialistic, incites to riot, lawlessness and anarchism and in danger of imprisonment on this account, occasional poverty, disharmony with relatives, more than one marriage, unfavorable for children, violent death.

MY NOTE: I use Astrology King for fixed star interpretations.

MY NOTE: Prince Harry has Uranus conjunct Antares, as does almost everyone born in 1984. From what I’ve seen, this is a “poverty doesn’t stick” aspect. The native has a remarkable ability to get themselves out of poverty and on to a better position.

MY NOTE: JD Vance, Trump’s populist 2024 Vice Presidential nominee (born August 2, 1984), has Uranus partile conjunct this star within a few minutes of orb.

Agena Conjunct Mars
Legal authority, honor as speaker or writer, great mental or physical powers.
MY NOTE: JD Vance is the author of a highly influential memoir, Hillbilly Elegy.

Mercury Conjunct Thuban
A tricky, subtle, secretive star, and Vance has a partile conjunction.
MY NOTE: Thuban (Hebrew), the subtle. Some 4,620 years ago it was the Polar Star. It is still a very important star in nautical reckonings, guiding the commerce of the seas, and thus 'the god of this world' is represented as winding in his contortions round the pole of the world, as if to indicate his subtle influence in all worldly affairs.

My sense is we will not be stuck with Vance as the nominee in 2028, however. Conservatives really want their Obama, and Vivek will give JD a run for his money in a televised debate. Ironic considering that Vance has a son named Vivek.

Wei wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:33 pm Hi Jason,
Thank you for providing some background information. As an outsider, I can’t quite understand the ins and outs of things.
The world is becoming more and more interesting.😂
I know I shouldn't be laughing in the face of such a serious matter, but this is a bitter laugh.

Hi Wei,

Since you're interested, here's an article that came out today that I think puts some of the problems the US is facing in perspective:

Donald Trump isn’t a fascist. He’s a Caesarist

(Hopefully the link works. It was paywalled but I shared a version that should get you past the wall)

There's also a longer form article published back in February that you can read here:

A RED CAESAR: HOW THE GOP’S NEW POLITICAL ORDER COULD END THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT IN 2024

jason

thanks for the non astrological links - articles... they are very skewed and highlight just how polarized the political environment in the usa today is.. i was glad the concept of royalty was mentioned.. i have often wondered if there is some sort of reversion back to the days of royalty which the usa had been sworn off of - were in fact secretly behind the bush or clinton dynasty and those who unconsciously want a reenactment of this..

i do go back to the 250 year cycle of pluto which happens to coincide with the idea of an approx length of time for an empire.. i am not sure it applies to the usa, but it certainly looks like it does to me at this juncture.. france is quickly approaching the same... empires don't end in some drastic way, but probably just fade into the background over the remaining years... this has been the case with the british empire and it appears very possible here with the american empire.. finding the causes - astrologically or otherwise - is an impossible task.. i do believe seeing the role of oligarchs, or the extremely wealthy influencing the direction of ''democratic'' elections is indeed bribery - but it has been allowed, regardless.. and it has been expressed by both of the main parties too.. this goes with the idea of plutocracy and there is that connection to pluto again.. here is a question for you... is the usa capable of living in a multi polar world, or must it insist on a unipolar world where international institutions, like the un or the imf - have to be dominated by the usa??