This question came into my mind at exactly 12pm yesterday. Immediately I noticed the significator of the 1st H was Venus, in the 11th almost exactly sextile the AC. Then I noticed the yod, (a critical clean-up aspect) to the AC and Venus. Yes, she had to jump into gear immediately when her ‘boss’ (10th H), the President, had transiting Moon applying an urgent conjunction to Saturn in the 5th. The 5th is ‘speculation’ or ‘gamble’, and Saturn, ruler of the 4th H of ‘beginnings and endings’ suddenly became a reality. Interesting how many early and late degrees are in this chart. Although Horary cautions us it’s ‘too early to tell’, look at Neptune in its own sign in the 6th. Biden generously gives his campaign staff to Harris and she works seamlessly with them. Venus’ positive outlets to the critical yod aspect are to Jupiter in the 8th and to the AC, herself. She spent 10 hours straight on the phone (Jupiter rules the 3rd H of communication) securing delegates and drumming up financial support. She broke a record receiving over 100 million dollars in less than two days. Am I the only one who sees her as, not just a front runner, but as the next President of the United States? Mexico elected its first female a few months ago. Maybe it’s wishful thinking. Can anyone else see what I see here?

I am sure there are more like you that would agree with you

But this horary doesnt.

With moon in pisces moving to conjunct saturn in under a month…saturn ruler of the final answer…. Its a flat stone cold no.

Calli wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:32 pm I am sure there are more like you that would agree with you

But this horary doesnt.

With moon in pisces moving to conjunct saturn in under a month…saturn ruler of the final answer…. Its a flat stone cold no.

Thank you Calli for your input. I’ve only been studying Horary for 5 years, although I’ve been a student of traditional astrology for over half a century. I look forward to input from other experts in the field of Horary. Thanks again for taking a look.

I have to agree with Calli with at least what the horary is saying (assuming it is correct). The Moon separates from Jupiter and applies to RETRO Saturn! It is leaving a situation you prefer to one you previously did not like that will happen again. I hope the horary is wrong. Notice too that Venus is aspecting Jupiter, showing their friendly interaction (probably Biden).

We have to remember too that Trump is strong in Leo and Leo Sun is exalted here in the 10th.

In battle charts, Venus is often the loser to Mars, I have noticed. Something perhaps about its inferiority to a slower planet, perhaps? Maybe anecdotal. I do think Sun as the exaltation lord of the 7th in the 10th and aspecting the 7th lord is very telling too though. Kamala isn't so strong and is aspecting a weak debilitated Jupiter but not really applying to anything (Mercury is far off and not super helpful). Mercury actually evades an aspect before changing signs and turning retro. It is slowing down. Again, not helpful though. Not sure what this is saying but it might be more clear as the candidacy progresses.

Tanit3333 wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 4:02 pm I have to agree with Calli with at least what the horary is saying (assuming it is correct). The Moon separates from Jupiter and applies to RETRO Saturn! It is leaving a situation you prefer to one you previously did not like that will happen again. I hope the horary is wrong. Notice too that Venus is aspecting Jupiter, showing their friendly interaction (probably Biden).

We have to remember too that Trump is strong in Leo and Leo Sun is exalted here in the 10th.

In battle charts, Venus is often the loser to Mars, I have noticed. Something perhaps about its inferiority to a slower planet, perhaps? Maybe anecdotal. I do think Sun as the exaltation lord of the 7th in the 10th and aspecting the 7th lord is very telling too though. Kamala isn't so strong and is aspecting a weak debilitated Jupiter but not really applying to anything (Mercury is far off and not super helpful). Mercury actually evades an aspect before changing signs and turning retro. It is slowing down. Again, not helpful though. Not sure what this is saying but it might be more clear as the candidacy progresses.

Thank you also for your expertise and insight into my question tanit3333. What seemed to my untrained eye positive, now is becoming more negative. But as you say, we’ll see as the race continues. If she secures the Democratic nomination, she will debate Trump. Get your popcorn ready, this is going to be good! I realize Trump has a Leo rising, but Leo is also the ruler of his 12th H. It’s been said when the AC and 12th have the same ruler, often that person is ‘his own worst enemy’. So we shall see if this ultimately plays out. Again, thank you for taking a look and offering your expertise.

You asked for an opinion and here is mine, but I'm sure it is not what you were expecting.
I will only use rules traditionally adopted for judging horary charts.

If the question you had in mind is exactly the one you have posted "will Kamala Harris will be our next president?" , well the answer is a clear NO and not because of the 4th house which I do not take in any consideration here.
The fact is that the question posed in this way implies that you are treating Mrs Harris as a third person, a public person, in no way related to you.
In this case the 1st house is for the querent , you, and Mrs Harris gets instead the 7th.
The lord of the 7th Mars is in no way connected to the 10th house nor to the lord of the tenth, it has no aspects, no receptions, nothing, this is why "NO" is the only possible answer.

But if the inner idea you were having in your mind when erecting the chart was "will my candidate Kamala Harris win and become our president? " in this case you can assign the 1st house to Mr Harris and the 7th to Mr Trump (or whoever is/will be the opponent) in the same way you have analyzed the chart in your post.
Now the Lord of 7th represents Trump and the judgment for Mars is the same as above, mars is still a looser.
But with two significators we have to look at both, in this chart Venus is in the 10th and getting rapidly free from the Sun's rays (now she can be seen) and even if she has no aspects with the moon , she receives the moon in her exaltation and triplicity, a clear winner.
Mars being a clear looser and venus a clear winner there is no reason to look further.

The chart is clear but over the years I have learned, the hard way, one thing, the really complicate part of an horary chart is to understand what is the real question behind the question...

Now don't ask me which answer I think is the right one, the chart is yours, the idea which gave birth to the chart is yours, so yours the decision... sorry

Saturnello wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:28 pm You asked for an opinion and here is mine, but I'm sure it is not what you were expecting.
I will only use rules traditionally adopted for judging horary charts.

If the question you had in mind is exactly the one you have posted "will Kamala Harris will be our next president?" , well the answer is a clear NO and not because of the 4th house which I do not take in any consideration here.
The fact is that the question posed in this way implies that you are treating Mrs Harris as a third person, a public person, in no way related to you.
In this case the 1st house is for the querent , you, and Mrs Harris gets instead the 7th.
The lord of the 7th Mars is in no way connected to the 10th house nor to the lord of the tenth, it has no aspects, no receptions, nothing, this is why "NO" is the only possible answer.

But if the inner idea you were having in your mind when erecting the chart was "will my candidate Kamala Harris win and become our president? " in this case you can assign the 1st house to Mr Harris and the 7th to Mr Trump (or whoever is/will be the opponent) in the same way you have analyzed the chart in your post.
Now the Lord of 7th represents Trump and the judgment for Mars is the same as above, mars is still a looser.
But with two significators we have to look at both, in this chart Venus is in the 10th and getting rapidly free from the Sun's rays (now she can be seen) and even if she has no aspects with the moon , she receives the moon in her exaltation and triplicity, a clear winner.
Mars being a clear looser and venus a clear winner there is no reason to look further.

The chart is clear but over the years I have learned, the hard way, one thing, the really complicate part of an horary chart is to understand what is the real question behind the question...

Now don't ask me which answer I think is the right one, the chart is yours, the idea which gave birth to the chart is yours, so yours the decision... sorry

Saturnello, I am grateful for your time and expertise! I did wonder if ‘assuming’ she was in the first house was correct. I suppose because she is a Libra, my enthusiasm got the best of me. Which is why a calm frame of mind, free of prejudice is important in analyzing a Horary. Thank you so much for taking a look and offering your expertise in the matter. I appreciate it.

Hi Starz4U,

I am an astrology student, and I often make mistakes. I am still experimenting with and validating my astrological logic.

From the content of your first post, it seems this is a horary chart, and you are the querent.

In the past, when asking questions unrelated to myself, I would assign the 1st house to the main character.

However, after receiving guidance from Goritsa Svortsan and through my own continuous validation, I realized that my astrological logic was confused.

In a horary chart, the 1st house always represents the querent, regardless of whether the matter is directly related to the querent.

The logic behind this is that the horary chart is the birth chart of the querent's thoughts. It includes both the conscious and subconscious mind, usually emerging from the subconscious and rising to the conscious level, driven by consciousness, which leads us to draw the chart.

I have some examples to illustrate this topic, but to avoid digressing, I will share them another time if the opportunity arises.

Now, let’s analyze this chart.

I noticed that you used the coordinates of California, USA, when asking the question, which indicates that you might reside in the United States or are a US citizen.

Therefore, Kamala Harris is represented by the 10th house, the ruling party, and Trump by the 4th house.

On July 25, a rare celestial event occurred (actually, it is not that rare; it is the second time this year. The first was during the debate between Biden and Trump! At that exact time of the debate, Trump was the Moon, and Biden was Saturn, and Trump completely outperformed Biden! That debate was the final straw that led to Biden’s withdrawal from the presidential race.).

On July 25, a rare celestial event, Saturn Lunar Eclipse, known as a lunar occultation, will occur, as the Moon will move across Saturn, temporarily obscuring the planet from view. This phenomenon will be visible from parts of Asia and Africa, offering a unique opportunity for stargazers and astronomers.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

Although it is not visible in the US (just like during the Biden-Trump debate), it still has some influence.

Additionally, Pluto is in the 4th house, and in election charts, Pluto is known for its disruptive and destructive energy (as in elections, we hope the energy is as concentrated and unified as possible).

The Moon and Saturn are in the 5th house, which represents birth rates, children, and sexual concerns. -https://www.skyscript.co.uk/ingresses.html

I feel that the outcome hinges on votes related to these topics.

Moreover, the Moon at 18°00' Pisces trines the MC (the highest place - presidency) at 19°19' Cancer.

From an electoral perspective, I believe Kamala Harris can defeat Trump.

Assuming we are looking at whether she can get the desired position, the 7th house is the derived 10th house from the 10th house, representing the presidency.

Trump’s Sun is not in Leo; his Mars is in Leo. His Mars in Leo is in its own term and face, while Kamala Harris’s Mars is also in Leo, in Jupiter’s term and Mars’s face. Although Trump’s Mars has a slight advantage, I feel they are quite close (but Kamala Harris’s Sun is in Libra, which is a detriment position for Mars).

However, the Sun is in the 10th house, which represents Kamala Harris’s first house in this horary chart. The Sun sextiles the ruler of the derived 10th house, Mars, very accurately. I believe Kamala Harris will get the position (the presidency).

Thank you Wei! I can see you enjoy being a student of astrology as much as I do. You really did your homework on this post, and are clearly more up on the subject of Horary and electoral charts! I so much want Kamala Harris to beat Trump as I believe Trump is the American Anti-Christ. If he gets back in power he’ll never leave. He’s ruined the Republican Party and intends to destroy our democracy if elected. He has even said so in his own words. Anyway, I appreciate your time and expertise on the matter. You have taught me so much already.

https://x.com/AdamSchiff/status/1817046115151413702

Hi ,

I was reluctant to use the method given by Wei because it is not in accordance with the question.

J.Frawley mentions this method at page 213 of his book among others methods to judge in political elections, he takes as example the re election of G. Bush against Kerry and according to him houses 10 and 4 should be used only when (his wording) the querent is "an impartial american asking who will win" and this doesn't seem to be the case.

Anyway just as a good exercise lets use it but we have to give each person its correct place in the chart.
The 10h house represents the King and the opposite house represents the challenger, the one opposing the King's power.
So Cancer and Moon for J.Biden and Capricorn and Saturn for Trump.
Kamala Harris is not the president not even the official candidate of the Democratic party (not yet) but only the vice president, she is his aid and for this reason it belongs to the 2nd house from the 10th, the 11th, Leo and Sun to represent her.
Moon is waning, peregrine and cadent (within 5° from the cusp of the 6th) not so good condition, just slightly better than Saturn
Sun is in own sign, and in its triplicity , and is in the 10th house, it could be hardly better than that.
Saturn is peregrine, retrograde and cadent (within 5° from the cusp of the 6th), and will be soon eclipsed by the Moon., it could be hardly worse than that.
To be noted that Saturn is the lord of both houses opposing the 10th and the 11th.
The fact that Moon and Saturn are both cadent means that they are both weak, not able to act with power, while the Sun is in a cardinal house.
Given all the above the chart speaks clearly of Mrs Harris winning, but I'm still very very dubious about the correctness of this method of reading the chart, rules are rules and I don't feel happy on playing with them, regardless of the result.

Thank you again Saturnello for taking another look at my Horary chart. So far I think I’ve got 3 no’s and 2 yes’s. I appreciate all the knowledge and expertise that goes into everyone’s analysis of it. Clearly I don’t know near as much as I ‘thought’ I did when first posting it! ‘Ignorance is bliss, and patience is a virtue’. (The longer I wait the more I like the answers )3 more months and we shall find out the actual outcome of the election! I am quite frankly a little nervous!

Dont worry, you won't be the only one waiting for the votes to be counted
Every and all astrologers will do the same...there is no way to tell which astrological method of prediction works better than others.
But just to make you happy be aware of the fact that Horary is the less used (and/or trusted) technique in election matters.

We can say that thanks to the great efforts of Mark ( immagine all the work of giving the rules , collecting, putting in order, give a summary for each, etc etc, after 4 years it is still a great source of information on the astrological world) who has collected and published on the Mundane Forum 112 predictions made by astrologers of all the world about the USA presidential election of 2020.

Of these 112 predictions only 6 were done using horary, either as stand alone method or in combination with other techniques.
This is why my opinion is that, in general, astrologers (including myself) do not trust horary capable to give a correct answer in a matter so complex that involves the will of millions of people.
By the way, of these 6 predictions made on 2020 only one was correct, the other 5 predicted Trump as the winner.