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Hi, I'm looking into my chart with the traditional rulers but I've gotten stuck here. I have Jupiter and the Moon in Aquarius with Saturn in Cancer. I'm unclear if this is actually a reception or not. I understand that traditionally both Jupiter and the Moon would rule Cancer and that Saturn rules Aquarius, but it is this quincunx relation that throws me off. Also, another one I've been wondering about along the same lines is if Sun in Scorpio and Mars in Aries would also be in mutual reception?

Angela wrote:Hi, I'm looking into my chart with the traditional rulers but I've gotten stuck here. I have Jupiter and the Moon in Aquarius with Saturn in Cancer. I'm unclear if this is actually a reception or not.

Hello, this is not a reception because there is no aspect between planets, it is a commutatio, planets exchange domicile without aspect, in Greek Enallaghe.

Margherita

Hi, Tom
I don?t think it is splitting hairs, because, as far as I understand this topic, they wanted to keep two different concepts appart.

Yes, if it was just a matter of "strenght", then it would be easier to speak in terms of "weak mutual reception", or "mutual reception without aspects", and the term "generosity" would mean only an abbreviation.

But I think the two concepts are really different.

We see many discussions about reception and receiving, etc, but I never see people asking "receiving what ?". Receiving the matters of the planet that is applying to it from its domicile. That?s why the aspect is important. Without an applying aspect, there is no way to push the disposition. The two planets can be generous to one another. But being generous to your neighbour is different than to "receive" a request from your daughter and go babysit and take care of her house for a week at not cost, for example.

But as you say "I would not bet heavily on my own answer."

Tom wrote:Steven may well be right that without aspect a reception is called "generosity," but to me that's a concession to the idea that there is an effect without aspect, and the author who coined the term "generosity" is splitting hairs.

I believe that Commutatio is like your English generosity. I have just the list of Greek/Latin names, but I have examples with planets and explanations. Which is the Latin name of generosity, please?

Anyway I don't think it is the same exactly as a reception with an aspect (I don't consider quincux being an aspect); better it's a testimony, exactly because planets are not configured each other.

Margherita

steven wrote: This is not the same as "reception" but is describing something even more fundamental and basic than reception, and Abu Ma'shar makes these distinctions so that we are sure NOT to confuse the two. Generosity is not reception although the planets are "receiving" something. It's conception is totally different than that of reception and its mechanics that Yuzuru has explained.
At least that is how I perceive these things from the ancients writings concerning these matters.

This is exactly the same Bezza teaches since 1993.
I have a copy of his unpublished lessons of 1993, and there he gave an example of this, and he explicitely stated commutatio has different effects than reception.

Anyway I checked a little in Hermann's version of Albumasar. This should be the corresponding text of Prof. Burnett's translation, at least I think so, my Latin is very primitive.
So if I well understand, Hermann calls it "receptio", without thinking more. Anyway I know how Hermann worked

What do you think?

Margherita

steven wrote:Hi Gjiada,

This does appear to be the Latin text of the same quote. Professor Burnett has made his translation from the Arabic manuscripts comparing them to Adelard's Latin translation which seems to follow much closer the Arabic manuscript than does Hermann's.

Thanks for your kind reply.

I think you are right, Hermann as usually translates as he wants. Still Hermann's one was the most widespread version of Albumasar work, you know better than me .

I look forward to reading Prof. Burnett book. I met him once in Rome and he was very kind with me. I have a long list of books to read...

Margherita

Hi again, thanks for the reply and discussion.